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When: 01 October 1916

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A team in Waterford with Kilkenny-like vertical stripes may not have been too popular in inter-county circles - but these lads look like they could cope with the slagging! A fine Poole shot of a hurling team to remind us that yet another All Ireland season is in full swing.

With thanks to all of the contributions today, in particular Niall McAuley, swordscookie, j.coffey78, and guliolopez, we know that the team pictured (or at least most of them) challenged for the 1916 Waterford County Hurling Final around the time of this photo. They forced a replay with Ferrybank GAA club. But lost out to Ferrybank in the end 5-0 to 3-3. guliolopez helpfully links us to a write up of the replayed final which lists the team as:
 T King (goal), J Hogan, L Cantwell, R Cantwell, P Durley, T Smyth, W Walsh, J Power, M Fitzpatrick, M Baldwin, P Purcell, W Sullivan, T McCormack, J Geary, R McKenna

A player who didn't make the replay (D Quinn) may also be captured here. It's proposed that, as perhaps the person who commissioned the photo, J(ohn?) Hogan could be the captain pictured....


Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date:ca. 14 October 1916

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 2692

You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    Niall McAuley

    • 13/Sep/2016 07:50:34

    Rivals: Shamrock Hurling Club, Waterford

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    swordscookie back and trying to catch up!

    • 13/Sep/2016 08:14:39

    Well there will be no trouble with the date anyway???? 1916 it is! The chap with the medals on his waistcoat is looking very self satisfied - did Waterford have All Ireland before '16???

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    Niall McAuley

    • 13/Sep/2016 08:48:10

    Photo ordered by Mr. Hogan of 31 Morley terrace, which is here on Gracedieu Road.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 13/Sep/2016 09:16:38

    John Hogan was 20 in 1911.

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    j.coffey78

    • 13/Sep/2016 10:12:32

    In 1916 Young Irelands were beaten by Ferrybank in the Waterford Senior Hurling Final, they seem to have disbanded after that.The referee in the 1916 All Ireland Final was a W. Walsh (Waterford). There are two other Young Irelands GAA Clubs, in Gowran (Kilkenny) and Dundalk (Louth). -- A fantastic photograph.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 13/Sep/2016 11:15:29

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] They didn't disband immediately: Waterford GAA's page says they won the Waterford club championship in 1918. On the other hand, one of the lists here says the 1918 result was Clonea 4-03 Ferrybank 2-01 (the list of wins by club at that page agrees with the Waterford GAA page).

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    philipgmayer

    • 13/Sep/2016 11:18:27

    A lot of sticky-out ears. Inbreeding?

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    swordscookie back and trying to catch up!

    • 13/Sep/2016 13:29:51

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] No! That's to hear the grass grow!

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    dantheserene

    • 13/Sep/2016 15:01:15

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Ouch. Once I saw the ears, I couldn't stop seeing the ears.

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    guliolopez

    • 13/Sep/2016 16:19:53

    Ouch indeed. [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]]. I'm sure that was intended jokingly. But it seems harsh. Unless perhaps I'm unaware of a medical theory that attributes ear shape to parentage/genetics(?) For myself, given that we've looked at a lot of "face on" group photos here (with backgrounds of a uniform colour that contrasts with ear colour), it seems that ears sometimes look more obvious. Personally I therefore don't see anything unusual here. Not that would lead to school-yard jokes about someone's physical appearance and parentage anyway. (If we are however in the mood for puerile jokes, perhaps instead we might question the captain's choice of position for commemorative sliotar and hurley handle? If we do smile about that, maybe we can then leave the "your mother!" retort aside...) PS: Where was this one taken?

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    philipgmayer

    • 13/Sep/2016 19:35:33

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] "PS: Where was this one taken?" Probably Waterford ???????????????

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 13/Sep/2016 22:52:28

    "We are all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the sliotars!"

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    guliolopez

    • 13/Sep/2016 23:28:24

    Thanks [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]]. That's great. LOLs all around. ROFL in fact. If anyone does however genuinely recognise the doors behind, I guess a more specific location than "Waterford" might be interesting. For anyone else interested, below is a write-up from the Munster Express of 2 December 1916. Including the team sheet. Which presumably covers all the men pictured. To my own read, it stands-out that Ferrybank won the game without scoring a single point. All goals. Ground hurling clearly much more common 100 years ago. The Young Irelands team listed (below) has perhaps one pair of brothers, but no other obviously close relations

    T King (goal), J Hogan, L Cantwell, R Cantwell, P Durley, T Smyth, W Walsh, J Power, M Fitzpatrick, M Baldwin, P Purcell, W Sullivan, T McCormack, J Geary, R McKenna
    - Munster Express - 2 December 1916 "J Hogan" seems likely to be the John Hogan who commissioned the image. The write-up doesn't name the captain, but maybe as he's listed first after the goalkeeper, maybe he's the man we see in the captain's jersey. Also interesting in the Munster Express extract is the date. December 1916. The date of the "replay". Rather than October 1916. The date this image was taken (and perhaps closer to the date of the initial game that forced the replay). Given that this image might have been taken around the time of the original final, it seems likely that the player named Dick Quinn (mentioned as not playing in the replay) is also pictured here somewhere. I couldn't find a write-up on the earlier match, and so don't have a date for it. Only notices in late November heralding the replay. Which imply it was going to be a good one:
    Judging by their last meeting a close and exciting game may be expected"
    - Munster Express 25 November 1916 www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/29628801426/

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 14/Sep/2016 00:31:15

    Thanks all! Especially [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] for the article on the final. I hope you don't mind, but I've "borrowed" the team sheet for the description and updated the tags, etc. As suggested, it would be great to be able to add this to the map too. But we'll be just as happy to maybe stick the pin in the map close to the Poole studio.