Spit, spot, spats, striding strongly! Mr. and Mrs. Herbert Goff at the races!

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When: 01 January 1914

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Bearers of a name long-associated with horses in Ireland, here we see Mr. and Mrs. Herbert Goff, who appear intent on the business of racing as they stride (I imagine) towards the winners enclosure! I love their "going to the races" dress and their seeming indifference to the obvious photographer taking this shot. What might have been even more interesting would be to see the more exuberant dress of the lady behind Mrs. Goff... Who were they, where was it and when?

On the "when?" question, we owe particular thanks to Carol Maddock whose investigations have associated this image with an Irish Independent society entry from January 1914. It confirms that the image was captured shortly after Herbert William Davis-Goff became High Sheriff of Waterford. On the "who?", the peerage resource provided by Niall McAuley tells us that Margaret Aimée Davis-Goff (née Scott) was from a diplomatic family. Davis-Goff seemingly went to war in the months after this image, and became second baronet in the Davis-Goff Baronetcy after his father's death in 1918....


Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: Catalogue range c.1901-1954. But confirmed as January 1914

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 2592

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    Dr. Ilia

    • 09/Nov/2016 09:00:08

    Wonderful capture 👏👏👏

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 09/Nov/2016 10:00:43

    grianghraif Dea-sean

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 09/Nov/2016 10:09:06

    "GOFF, HERBERT, M.D., Glenville, Waterford, Ireland, owns a lo-horse Panhard, 12-horse Napier, and 21-horse De Dion tricycle. Is a fox- hunter, and regards automobilism as the future means of locomotion. Clubs: Kildare Street tDublinf, Bath, New Oxford and Cambridge, and Authmobile." From www.gracesguide.co.uk/1903_Motorists

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    sharon.corbet

    • 09/Nov/2016 11:21:29

    I could be wrong, but I think the "exuberant dress" is actually an early motoring costume. See some of the photos here for example.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 09/Nov/2016 12:06:32

    Before/during 1923? If it's the same Herbert and I think it is, Lady Goff was described in the Evening Herald of 17 April 1925 as: ... Lady Goff is the widow of Sir Herbert Goff, Bart., who died in 1923, and mother of the present baronet. She is a daughter of the Right Hon. Sir C. Stewart Scott, G.C.B. Miss Goff is her only daughter. [I know they're described as Mr. & Mrs. by A.H. Poole, rather than Lord and Lady, but another mention I found in the Irish Independent 15 March 1916 speaks of "Mrs. Herbert Goff, wife of Capt. Herbert Goff, heir to Sir William Goff, Bart." so presumably Mr. and Mrs. Goff and Lord and Lady Goff are the same people?]

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    Carol Maddock

    • 09/Nov/2016 12:13:17

    Fire up the Date [mostly] Established KLAXON, Mary! This exact photo appears in the Irish Independent on Saturday, 10 January 1914 with the byline "Photo by Poole, Waterford" Caption says:

    Snapshot of Mr. and Mrs. Herbert Goff. Mr. Goff, who is the heir to Sir William Goff, Bart., has just been appointed High Sheriff for Co. Waterford.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 09/Nov/2016 12:16:35

    Only one Herbert William Goff in the 1911 census, he is from Waterford but is a brewer.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 09/Nov/2016 12:25:26

    Aha, may be a Davis-Goff

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    Niall McAuley

    • 09/Nov/2016 12:26:11

    Or perhaps a Goff Davis in the census. (Davis-Goff at thepeerage.com)

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    DannyM8

    • 09/Nov/2016 12:29:04

    Sir Herbert William Davis-Goff, 2nd BT b. 20 October 1870, d. 26 June 1923 Last Edited=23 Feb 2011 Sir Herbert William Davis-Goff, 2nd Bt. was born on 20 October 1870.2 He was the son of Sir William Davis-Goff, 1st Bt. and Anna Maria Hassard.3 He married Margaret Aimée Scott, daughter of Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Stewart Scott, on 16 June 1903.2 He died on 26 June 1923 at age 52.2 He graduated from Trinity College, Dublin University, Dublin, County Dublin, Ireland, with a Bachelor of Arts (B.A.)2 He held the office of Deputy Lieutenant (D.L.) of County Waterford.2 He gained the rank of Captain in 1914 in the service of the Royal Army Service Corps.2 He held the office of High Sheriff of County Waterford in 1914.2 He fought in the First World War between 1914 and 1916.2 He succeeded to the title of 2nd Baronet Davis-Goff, of Glenville, co. Waterford and of Horetown, co. Wexford [U.K., 1905] on 23 November 1917. Children of Sir Herbert William Davis-Goff, 2nd Bt. and Margaret Aimée Scott Sir Ernest William Davis-Goff, 3rd Bt.+3 b. 11 Jun 1904, d. 26 Mar 1980 Doreen Christian Davis-Goff1 b. 1905, d. 29 Nov 2000 Charles Herbert Davis-Goff3 b. 29 Jul 1908, d. Aug 1999 Terence Richard Davis-Goff3 b. 20 Dec 1909, d. c 1970 From www.thepeerage.com/p532.htm#i5311

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    Andy Gant

    • 09/Nov/2016 12:57:08

    Great image.... seen in "B&W Images from around the World"

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    Niall McAuley

    • 09/Nov/2016 13:01:22

    They are the same person. The Brewer above is Herbert, married to Margaret, father of Ernest, Doreen, Charles and Terence, just like Sir Herbert William Davis-Goff 2nd Bt, at the peerage.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 09/Nov/2016 13:33:42

    In last weeks episode, the nurse sitting on on our right here was identified as Margeret Davis-Goff: War Hospital supply, committee group.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 09/Nov/2016 15:58:48

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] A baronet is not addressed as Lord, just Sir. In this case Sir Herbert and Lady Davis-Goff.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 09/Nov/2016 20:51:15

    Well done [https://www.flickr.com/photos/4[email protected]] ! This book excerpt has a little more - "Herbert Goff lived in the adjacent Maypark property with his family and eight servants." And the Goff's were "The owner the first car registered in Waterford, his numberplate WI1 was retained in the family for many years." From - books.google.com.au/books?id=FW2_q7I3evsC&pg=PA14&... Lots of other "Goff" photos of people, cars and a yacht (Iver?) in the NLI catalogue - catalogue.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=goff&type=All...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 09/Nov/2016 22:00:38

    Maypark on the 25" map, it is a nursing home now.

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    ofarrl

    • 09/Nov/2016 22:34:40

    Grandparents of writer Annabel Davis Goff I believe. www.annabeldavisgoff.com/bio.html

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    La Belle Province

    • 09/Nov/2016 23:21:16

    And she has a huge FROG on her jacket. *Swoons with happiness*

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 09/Nov/2016 23:24:48

    Excellent stuff as usual. Particular thanks to [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] whose investigations allow us to sound the "date confirmed" klaxon with certainty! If memory serves, we "met" the elder Goff (mentioned in the snippet Carol mentions) some years ago: www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6920024511/ Apologies for the radio-silence today, but we were somewhat preoccupied with some of the other events of the day. Have now however updated the description, tags, and (especially) the date. (I have searched the archives to perhaps identify a particular race or motoring meeting that this might have been - to no avail...)

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    ofarrl

    • 10/Nov/2016 14:27:40

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/] The Elder Goff in your photo is Frank Davis Goff a brother of William Davis Goff.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 11/Nov/2016 00:19:05

    Thanks [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] - clearly memory didn't serve in that case. To save having to remember again, I've updated the summary in the "elder Goff" image posting...