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Where: Newtown Anner House, Newtownanner Demesne, Newtownanner, Co. Tipperary, Ireland

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The Duchess of St. Albans and her guests pose in the garden for Mr. Poole. And it seems a number of the party are careful to show their best sides to the camera! I suspect that the dress and hairstyles will make this a relatively easy shot to date. But how about naming the participants? Have a great weekend everybody!

While we don't have names (yet) for the other guests, the lady of the house and commissioner of the image (presumed to be the seated lady with the larger hat) was Grace Bernal-Osborne, Duchess of Saint Albans (c.1846-1926). There's a suggestion that her husband, the 10th Duke of Saint Albans, is not pictured. WIth consensus that the image was likely captured at Newtown Anner House, outside Clonmel, County Tipperary. Probably in around the 1900s. But certainly not after the 1920s.


Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: Catalogue range c.1901-1954. Definitely before c.1926. Likely c.1900s.

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 2215

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    Niall McAuley

    • 31/Mar/2017 07:48:23

    Looks 1900ish to me. According to thepeerage.com, Charles Victor Albert Aubrey de Vere Beauclerk was the 11th Duke of Saint Albans from 1898 to 1934 and never married, so the Duchess cannot be his wife, it must be his mother, Lady Sybil Mary Grey who was duchess from her marriage in 1867. Edit: No, she died in 1871, aged 22! Did her husband remarry? Yes, he married Grace Bernal-Osborne in 1874 in Tipperary.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 31/Mar/2017 07:57:24

    The Bernal-Osbornes owned Newtown Anner house and demesne near Clonmel. Poole has a shot in the archive commissioned by the Duchess of St. Albans.

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    domenico milella

    • 31/Mar/2017 08:06:23

    Congratulation for your beautiful Album.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 31/Mar/2017 08:08:23

    From the Wikipedia article on her sister, Edith Blake: The Osbornes appear to have become estranged early in their marriage, with her father living in London, seeing Edith and her Grace raised by her mother alone. Mrs Osbourne was a talented artist, and encouraged both her daughters to take up artistic pursuits. Artists often stayed at Newtown Anner, including Thomas Shotter Boys and Alexandre Calame, and it is possible the sisters received tuition from them. And: In 1874 she married widower and Royal Irish Constabulary sub-inspector Henry Arthur Blake. As her parents did not approve of the marriage and had been arranging a suitable marriage for her, the couple eloped. Following the marriage, Edith was disinherited. So it looks as if Grace got the Demesne.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 31/Mar/2017 08:11:27

    Grace was born sometime after 1846, so she was 54 in 1900. That is surely her sitting with the grey hair and big hat.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 31/Mar/2017 08:13:51

    She had 5 children, all of them alive up to 1935, so this could be a family group.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 31/Mar/2017 08:16:41

    William Amelius Aubrey de Vere Beauclerk, 10th Duke of St Albans, her husband, died in 1898, so if this is indeed after 1900, that isn't him at right.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 31/Mar/2017 08:19:30

    The 11th Duke is not here either: Per wikipedia: Trustees looked after his affairs from 1898 until his death in 1934. He was confined under certificates at Ticehurst Asylum from January 1899 till his death.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 31/Mar/2017 08:27:31

    NIAH entry for the house.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 31/Mar/2017 08:57:27

    A pic of her eldest daughter Moyra. Not here.

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    philfluther

    • 31/Mar/2017 09:16:13

    Wonder, last right, Mahaffy? Opinion Virginia Woolf, rightside. Photo, 'Conversation piece'. "Suddenly I saw him approaching me, a hated Man, elderly, stout. Somehow I thought at once Of Genevan black and white, took his clear glance In mine so troubled with youth, knowing he was Sir John Mahaffy, Provest of Trinity College" Austin Clarke.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 31/Mar/2017 09:18:56

    I hate to interrupt Niall's excellent research, but via Trove there is Good News and Bad News from Newtown Anner - "A Generous Irish Boy" (1891) - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/115570850 "Burglars In Tomb" (1912) - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/209955659

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    guliolopez

    • 31/Mar/2017 10:15:19

    Waterford County museum has an image of a[nother?] Duchess of Saint Albans. With a member of the De la Poer family. At the Gurteen la Poer estate. An estate and family we have visited/met several times before. That image is dated to 1938. The museum also has two other later images (with Albans/de la Poers) from the Emergency period. Given that "Grace" died in the 1920s, one imagines this was another "Duchess of St Albans". Presumably the wife of Grace's son? Presumably one with a De la Poer connection? [EDIT: Forget I said anything. The Duchess of St Albans that we see in the 1930s/40s Waterford Co Museum images is presumably Beatrix Frances Beauclerk (Petty-FitzMaurice), Duchess of St Albans. Wife of the 12th Duke. Son of Grace and the 11th Duke] [FURTHER EDIT: I am glad we live in a republic. However flawed. These hereditary titles are so much bollocks].

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    Niall McAuley

    • 31/Mar/2017 10:39:39

    I think our best hope is for some sort of celeb gossip in the papers for a party at Newtown Anner.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 31/Mar/2017 10:40:59

    Or with a little Wilde imagination, left to right - Cecily Cardew Algernon Moncrieff Lady Bracknell Hon. Gwendolen Fairfax John Worthing Miss Prism Lane Rev. Canon Chasuble en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Importance_of_Being_Earnest (1895)

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 31/Mar/2017 12:43:07

    Those dresses are Victorian, certainly no later than WW1. The stockings on the lady on the right sitting down seem to correspond to some seen here, see page 44, Chicago Tribune Aug. 26 1900 archives.chicagotribune.com/1900/08/26/page/55/article/di... Thought the umbrellas might help us, they appear to be parasols. Summerish months?

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    La Belle Province

    • 31/Mar/2017 12:54:19

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] You say "big hat" as if that's a bad thing.

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    DannyM8

    • 31/Mar/2017 19:11:36

    You would think a crowd like that would have a dog or two!!

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    La Belle Province

    • 31/Mar/2017 20:12:28

    I'm sure there's one behind that parasol, or under the parasol on the grass.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 31/Mar/2017 20:50:51

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/la_belle_province] ... or in Miss Prism's 'handbag' ! (Sorry, it's already April where I am)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/Apr/2017 00:54:26

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] - "A haaandbaaag!?" (LOVE that line :) Map, description, etc updated...)