"One-storey building, possibly a railway station, with steps, and 4 column, Ionic portico" is Armagh Courthouse

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Where: 1868 College Hill, Armagh BT61 9DJ, UK

When: Unknown

Though the catalogue description implies this classical style building was in Limerick City, this Stereo Pairs image is going to take some identifying! Because, it is certainly not the railway station in Limerick City, nor any other railway station that I know of. And so we are left with the question(s): what and where is it, and is it still standing?

And we got our answer - very quickly - when Oretani Wildlife (Mike Grimes) identified this as Armagh Courthouse. And, despite a bombing in the 1990s (which seemingly shifted one of the columns "back a full 9 inches"), it is still standing...


Photographers: Frederick Holland Mares, James Simonton

Contributor: John Fortune Lawrence

Collection: Stereo Pairs Photograph Collection

Date: c.1860-1883

NLI Ref: STP_2877

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    derangedlemur

    • 27/Mar/2017 07:17:38

    Hmm. Railway station or courthouse? "county officer" suggests not railway.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 27/Mar/2017 07:51:21

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeegee] Well done. good spotting.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 27/Mar/2017 08:06:25

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeegee] It seems the Lonsdale Road did not exist when the photo was taken, this may help with dating?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 27/Mar/2017 08:20:12

    Lonsdale Street (not Road??) is not on the OSNI Historical Third Edition 1900 - 1907 it is on OSNI Historical Fourth Edition 1905 - 1957 It seems to be Lonsdale Road in the current maps - did it change from Street to Road?

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    sundaythecatlost

    • 27/Mar/2017 08:23:44

    So cross that Mr. Grimes got there before me. Definitely Armagh. Even though I have not been in Ireland for 30 odd years. Used to attend cub scouts in that little hall to the left.

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 27/Mar/2017 08:37:03

    Almost ... (might help with dating) via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture/] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture/2837656596/]

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 27/Mar/2017 08:58:00

    [https:[email protected]] Ivor, you need to get up a little earlier :)

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 27/Mar/2017 08:59:21

    Alternative view STP - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000564618 - same time as catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000338842 because of the gent standing at the "Court Keeper's Entrance". Edit.- All three photos have that open right hand window - they have to be the same day and time. Later Lawrence photos showing a large shrub on the right of the Courthouse (as in Photos of the Past's above) - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000320785 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000337775

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 27/Mar/2017 09:31:55

    The building beyond with the Proverbs inscription (see notes) was the 1857 Sabbath and Day School (Presbyterian Church) via books.google.com.au/books?id=cJYRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA40&...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Mar/2017 09:37:16

    The courthouse is from 1809, but the DIA also records: Name: DAVISON, HENRY Building: CO. ARMAGH, ARMAGH, MALL, COUNTY COURT HOUSE Date: 1860-63 Nature: Alts. & improvements including new wing, refitting of courts &c. Tenders invited Jun-Jul 1860. With Thomas Turner? Contractor: Thomas Ross. Refs: Armagh Guardian, 15 Jun,6 Jul 1860; B 18, ? ? 1860, 441; DB 2, 1 Jul 1860, 301; R. McKinstry et al., The Buildings of Armagh (UAHS, 1992), 153, attribute work to HD but this work is mentioned in partnership contract between Thomas Turner and Thomas Drew, PRONI D1905 (B. of I.); Kevin V. Mulligan, The Buildings of Ireland: South Ulster (2013), 121.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Mar/2017 10:03:57

    Archiseek has a colourized postcard image which looks as if it is the same period as the Lawrences (bush), but shows more of the left end of the building.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Mar/2017 11:30:03

    In [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia]'s STP from the other angle, I can read a sign over the small door to the left of the courthouse. It says : Registry Office for Servants (!!!)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Mar/2017 11:33:37

    A sign on the wall of the court itself, to the right of that door, says: NOTICE: Ball playing or posting of bills on courthouse penalty 10 s

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Mar/2017 11:42:12

    On streetview 2016, the building to the right of the courthouse, the redbrick one, is called Papalouis Authentic Italian Ristorante. In 2009, it was called Manor park. But in between, in 2015, it had the interesting name of 1868.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Mar/2017 11:43:55

    To quote one review: 1868 was the year this beautiful building was established as Armagh’s old probate office and customs house.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Mar/2017 11:48:22

    DIA says only that the probate registry office went out to tender in 1861 and was "being erected" in 1862. 1868 date is plausible, and these STPs are after that date.

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    silverio10

    • 27/Mar/2017 18:33:30

    Buena serie de fotos antiguas

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 27/Mar/2017 21:20:24

    There is a stonking great bollarded gas lamp, seen in Photos of the Past's image above and in later Lawrence shots, which should be in view here, I think. Could provide an 'earlier than' date.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 28/Mar/2017 05:53:25

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] The changed lights and a water hydrant...

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    Sean Barden

    • 28/Mar/2017 07:21:54

    As a local I would consider the address of the courthouse as simply 'The Mall'. The Sabbath School is in College Street and the Probate Court, College Hill so you could argue either of those but not Lonsdale Street or Lonsdale Road. The former was a early 20th century terrace of red brick dwellings demolished in the 1980s to make way for Lonsdale Road. As for the restaurant name 1868; when ownership changed the new proprietor was enquiring into the history of the building at Armagh County Museum and although we were unable to provide him with clear evidence to support the erection of the building in that year he liked the ring of 1868 and went with it.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 28/Mar/2017 07:59:47

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/fairviewdesign] Sean, we agree, the point was that Lonsdale Road or Street was not in existence at the time our photo was taken, this was to help with dating the photo, not its location.