A fine set of fetlocks: Commissioned by Mr. T. Widger

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Where: Tramore Rd, Co. Waterford, Ireland

When: Unknown

The full title on this is "Meet at Gracedieu(?) - commissioned by Mr. T. Widger". Maybe Mr. Widger rode to the hunt, and perhaps wanted an image of both he and his steed recorded for posterity(?) It certainly is a fine shot of the pair, and there appears to be a "Big House" in the background. There is an area in Waterford called Gracedieu but was that named after a house or vice versa? It does sound familiar....

The consensus is that this is a member of the Widger family from Waterford. Pretty much all of whom (of working-age) were recorded in the 1911 census as horse-dealers or trainers. The suggestion is that Poole captured this image at Grace Dieu estate, a short distance south of Waterford, and which we have visited before. Based on similar images in the catalogue, and the fashions visible, it seems likely this dates to the first decade or so of the 20th century....


Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: Catalogue range c.1901-1954. Likely c.1900s-1910s

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 0269

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Apr/2017 08:01:53

    OSI Map showing Gracedieu House. It still exists and according to this 2015 article it housed / is currently housing the Waterford Courthouse.

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Apr/2017 08:28:22

    This looks a better bet: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,659965,607361,11,9

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Apr/2017 08:37:26

    Miss Anderson, but which one?

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 03/Apr/2017 08:38:26

    This seems to be the place: landedfamilies.blogspot.ie/2014/07/128-anderson-of-grace-...

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    guliolopez

    • 03/Apr/2017 08:41:23

    This Mr. T(homas) Widger was a horse-dealer. As was (presumed relative?) Mr. T(homas J) Widger. If the image's commissioner was in the horsey business, it would perhaps explain the "photoshopping" on the tail; Something that was maybe less likely on a "snapshot", compared to an image used commercially(?)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Apr/2017 08:45:15

    In the 1911 Census, there are 14 male Widgers in Co. Waterford. Of the 9 adults, 5 are Horse Dealers, one a retired trainer and two are Car drivers. A very horsey family!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Apr/2017 08:51:31

    The blurred ladies behind are in full length skirts, suggesting the earlier part of the date range...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Apr/2017 08:56:13

    The same occasion in the archive? The ladies are in better focus and perhaps dateable from the fashions...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Apr/2017 09:17:16

    This archive shot is latest 1910, and shows the house as it was .

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Apr/2017 09:23:55

    There are a couple more in the archive dated 1901: Mar 23 and Apr 11, but I do not see this gentleman in those (no megazoom!).

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    Bernard Healy

    • 03/Apr/2017 10:18:24

    I was curious about the name 'Gracedieu'. It seems as though the original Gracedieu House got its name from the name given to the surrounding area by the Norman settlers of the 12th century! www.logainm.ie/ga/1167001

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    ofarrl

    • 03/Apr/2017 14:16:45

    I had a tour of the house the last time I was back in Waterford while work was going on to get it ready for the court. It had previously been owned by the Missionaries of the Sacred Heart and was used as a retreat and conference centre and sadly a lot of the original features were much neglected or removed. The Widger family is well known in Waterford and were at one time the largest supplier of horses to European governments as well as breeding winning race horses. One famous horse was the Grand National winner Wild Man from Borneo There is also a nice photo of Widgers stables at the Rialway Square in the library's catalogue

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Apr/2017 15:25:23

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] There is also a townland in Waterford called "Christendom" - they were very religious down that way!

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    Bernard Healy

    • 03/Apr/2017 15:35:32

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Ah, we're fairly religious in Kerry too! ;) I think those unusual townlands are a great indicator of how Waterford & Wexford were so thoroughly Normanised compared to so much of the rest of the country. I'm always struck by the particular local names and so on when I make a rare visit to the sunny South-East. The existence of Yola is a great demonstration of that.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_and_Bargy_dialect

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    John Spooner

    • 03/Apr/2017 18:47:11

    [https:[email protected]] There's a 1896 A H Poole photo in the UK National Archives described as: "Photograph of racehorse 'Wildman from Borneo' with Mr Joe Widger mounted". I'll add it to the list of things to do next time I[m there. discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10376032

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    ofarrl

    • 03/Apr/2017 19:29:18

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/] I wonder is it the same as this one of Wild Man from Borneo in the Poole catalogue

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    John Spooner

    • 12/Apr/2017 07:16:38

    [https:[email protected]] Yes, it's the same one.IMG_20170406_130628765 The NLI says it's Tom Widger holding the reins, and the form with the UKNA version says Joe Widger is mounted, so between the two institutions both human parties are identified. Poole completed the form on 25th March 1896. IMG_20170406_130650143