Wedding group : commissioned by Mr. Magner, Clonmel

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Where: Unknown

When: 09 October 1917

Hats, fur coats, fur stoles, wing collars, centre partings, cows-licks and so much more to show how fashions have changed since this shot was taken for Mr. Magner way back when! I'm not too sure I would want to take on the mother-in-law second from the right!

Quick off the mark this morning, sharon.corbet gave us the text of the newspaper announcement of the wedding pictured:
 MAGNER AND SMYTH—October 9, 1917, at Tramore, by the Rev. T. O'Brien, C.C., Passage-West,- William J. Magner, eldest son of John Magner, Clonmel, to Catherine (Kitty) Smyth, daughter of Mr. Edmund Smyth, Cattle Dealer, Clonmel

The date, most of the subjects, and possible town/county locations were therefore identified. And our intrepid band of Flickroonies quickly filled-in some background. Including that the groom (William Magner) was almost certainly from the Clonmel family behind the Magners/Bulmers cider brand. And that the bride's family (Kitty Smyth) was involved in the cattle and newspaper trades in the same town....


Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: c.10 October 1917

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 2728

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    sharon.corbet

    • 16/May/2017 08:23:25

    There is an announcement in the Irish Independent of Monday October 15th: MAGNER AND SMYTH—October 9, 1917, at Tramore, by the Rev. T. O'Brien, C.C., Passage-West,- William J. Magner, eldest son of John Magner, Clonmel, to Catherine (Kitty) Smyth, daughter of Mr. Edmund Smyth, Cattle Dealer, Clonmel So it may be William Magner, the original founder of Magners/Bulmers.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 16/May/2017 08:25:26

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] *shaking fist at you* Was just about to contribute exactly the same thing! I'll beat you next time... :)

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 16/May/2017 08:36:28

    Spot the differences! - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000593236 The mother-in-law (Mrs Smyth?) looks happier in the other photo.

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    Dún Laoghaire Micheál

    • 16/May/2017 09:00:07

    According to GRO, marriage took place at Tramore RC Church. Celebrant was Thomas O'Brien C.C. Witnesses were John Francis Magner and Mary J Smyth. William J's address was given as Mitchel Street Clonmel. Occupation Merchant.

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    Dún Laoghaire Micheál

    • 16/May/2017 09:14:01

    if John Magner Snr was c.70 in this pic, it would tally with a subsequent Death record in 1926, where he was described as Hotel Proprietor aged 79

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    Dún Laoghaire Micheál

    • 16/May/2017 09:23:53

    Kitty's address on marriage was O'Connell St Clonmal. Her father, Edmund was a cattle dealer. I'd cautiously speculate that he might be the same as one Edward Lundy Smyth, retired Cattle Dealer of O'Connell Terrace Clonmel who died in 1957 aged 72. That would make him aged 40 at the time of the wedding. (& young enough to be standing somewhere in the back rows). Though his status on death is recorded as bachelor. UPDATED: Edmond Smyth died in 1941. See later comment

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    sharon.corbet

    • 16/May/2017 09:59:35

    [https:[email protected]] Here is Edmond Smyth and family in O'Connell St., Clonmel in 1901, and family without Edmond in 1911.

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    guliolopez

    • 16/May/2017 10:07:33

    The lady behind the bride has found a novel way to sneak her dog into the proceedings....

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    Dún Laoghaire Micheál

    • 16/May/2017 10:49:52

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] Very good. Makes my "Edward Lundy . ." seem a less likely candidate. and yet . . no obvious matching EdMOND death. UPDATED: Edmond Smyth died in 1941. See later comment

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    sharon.corbet

    • 16/May/2017 11:32:30

    [https:[email protected]] There was an article in the Indo of Sept. 6 1941 announcing his death at his home in O'Connell St.

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    La Belle Province

    • 16/May/2017 11:45:07

    No selfies, so a better time to be alive.

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    Dún Laoghaire Micheál

    • 16/May/2017 11:48:44

    Death of father of the bride in 1941 as published in Irish Time 6 Sept. Edmond-Smyth-death

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    Dún Laoghaire Micheál

    • 16/May/2017 12:10:40

    This from IT 16 October. probably our Best man John-Magner

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    A. P. L.

    • 16/May/2017 12:20:48

    Almost certainly the cider family, yes!! He'd probably be turning in his grave if he knew about the very large amounts of other cider types and brands that seem to be available in Ireland this summer!!!

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    melystu

    • 16/May/2017 13:42:35

    The clothes say about 1915-19, to me.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/May/2017 15:28:02

    If both sides are from Clonmel but the wedding was in Tramore, are they back in Clonmel or at some venue near the seaside here?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/May/2017 23:00:43

    Thanks all! I have updated the date, description and tags. But have not yet been brave enough to update the map. I agree with [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] that it is plausibly a hotel in Tramore (the Sands and Grand hotels perhaps) or a hotel in Clonmel (like Hearns or the Clonmel Arms). It may take a local or familial connect to confirm for certain.....

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    jamica1

    • 17/May/2017 16:32:22

    Great set of expressions on their faces.