The folks that live on the hill - in Renny, Co. Cork

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Where: N72, Renny Lower, Co. Cork, Ireland

When: Unknown

I'm not sure where "Renny" is, but it seems an ideal situation for a farmstead that might fear attack from the natives. Water in plentiful supply, trees and grass aplenty and a high stance for lookout and defence. If all comes to all they could throw themselves off the cliff rather than surrender? I would love to see the view from the top windows...

And, the consensus is that I won't see the view - not from those windows anyway. As, based on today's inputs, we have added this to our "no longer standing" album. While perhaps not 100% cut and dried (and not helped by apparently conflicting labels in the catalogue) the pervailing wisdom is that this is/was the house or castle at Renny, on the River Blackwater in County Cork. Apparently once associated with the family of Edmund Spenser, it was demolished by the Earl of Listowel before c.1900.


Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Catalogue range c.1865-1914. Likely before c.1900

NLI Ref: L_ROY_00040

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/Jun/2017 08:24:08

    There is a Renny on the Blackwater, West of Fermoy, but I don't see that cliff... 25" link...

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    O Mac

    • 06/Jun/2017 08:51:31

    This had to have been taken around 1900 as that was when the house was demolished. See, landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show....

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    derangedlemur

    • 06/Jun/2017 08:53:12

    Are we looking past Scarriff Rock at Convamore? maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,571425,599005,11,9

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    derangedlemur

    • 06/Jun/2017 08:57:15

    The view does seem more consistent with O'Mac's suggestion: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,570163,599320,11,7, but the cliff isn't very obvious.

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    B-59

    • 06/Jun/2017 08:59:19

    There is a cliff not far away: goo.gl/maps/e7qQQPZmHt22 maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,569605,600023,11,9 but no house

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 06/Jun/2017 09:21:01

    I have added quite a few photos to our "Less than 5 comments" Album. Some of them have no comments whatsoever, please have a look and please feel free to change that fact. [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651352773330]

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/Jun/2017 09:28:18

    [https:[email protected]] Yes, looking at the 25", I see signs of a cliff there. The house seems to have a bay on both right (SE) and left (NW), but the 6" showing the house does not have enough detail.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/Jun/2017 09:35:24

    We are definitely in the right area. This archive shot, also titled Renny, shows a single storey house in the distance with a large greenhouse behind it. On the 25", we can see that this is Wood Cottage, greenhouse to the East.

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 06/Jun/2017 10:05:27

    From the wiki article for Edward Spenser (poet) (1552-1599) - ... Some time between 1587 and 1589, Spenser acquired his main estate at Kilcolman, near Doneraile in North Cork. He later bought a second holding to the south, at Rennie, on a rock overlooking the river Blackwater in North Cork. Its ruins are still visible today. A short distance away grew a tree, locally known as "Spenser's Oak" until it was destroyed in a lightning strike in the 1960s. Local legend has it that he penned some of The Faerie Queene under this tree. ... See - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Spenser And - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faerie_Queene Is that Spenser's Oak tree in front of what must be a later house?

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 06/Jun/2017 10:49:35

    Or is this Spenser's Oak - the leaves look 'oaky' with megazoom - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000326676

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 06/Jun/2017 11:13:00

    Heaps of history about Renny (including a murder!) available from page 170 on here - www.corkpastandpresent.ie/places/northcorkcounty/grovewhi...

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    guliolopez

    • 06/Jun/2017 12:12:26

    I don't know this part of the county very well, but I wonder if this is the Hennessy household (further up the Blackwater towards Mallow) at Killavullen. Streetview | 6" OSI | NIAH

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 06/Jun/2017 12:44:38

    Let's call it the Braveheart Farm, except Liam Neeson is the lead.

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 06/Jun/2017 13:26:14

    [https:[email protected]] Hell hath no fury like a housekeeper scorned ! I wonder if her "small antique dwelling" is one of those cottages in the photo? There is a photo plate of "Spenser's Oak, Renny" just after p.194 of that CP&P site - www.corkpastandpresent.ie/places/northcorkcounty/grovewhi... . Which shows a gnarled old tree overhanging the river on a steep bank.

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    swordscookie back and trying to catch up!

    • 06/Jun/2017 14:19:53

    It should not be forgotten that Princess Diana had connections to Ireland as a Spencer which led back to the Cork area. "Researchers have found evidence proving a 100-year-old rumour that one of Princess Diana’s ancestors was buried in Cork. The discovery was made at the Corkbeg graveyard in Whitegate, where researchers unearthed plaques proving that Edmond Roche, 1st Baron of Fermoy, the great, great grandfather of Diana Spencer, was buried in the grounds." Quote from an article on "Ireland-calling.com!

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    guliolopez

    • 06/Jun/2017 20:18:30

    Are we in Cork at all? There are at least two images (one of which a slightly wider shot from this one, the other a variant of one shared by [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia]) which are both labelled Renny, County Waterford: I suspect it's a misnomer though. As, looking again at the 5" and 25" maps offered by [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley], and the landedestates record linked by [https:[email protected]], it would seem to marry with the layout of the courtyards/topography/etc. I guess Woodville is the surviving house (across the river). If so it firmly dates this to pre-1900.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 06/Jun/2017 23:21:38

    Thanks all - Map/tags/description/etc all updated to reflect the consensus. A pity that I won't get to sample that view (not without a cherrypicker at any rate). Interesting though that the site marked on the 6" and 25" OSI maps, labelled "Poulmaddy", is lost to historical record. (Or at least those historical records that are Google indexed....)

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    Dr. Ilia

    • 07/Jun/2017 05:00:04

    amazing capture

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    waewduan4

    • 07/Jun/2017 07:13:24

    Congrats !!

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    le cabri

    • 07/Jun/2017 12:13:00

    Quite great shot!

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 07/Jun/2017 13:39:51

    31,081+ views in just over one day! Is that a record?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 07/Jun/2017 13:43:33

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] No record, but up there. Will I add it to the 50,000+ views Album now or wait for a few hours?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 07/Jun/2017 14:21:34

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] This one holds the record, on the day it was in Explore we had a little over 100,000 total views on the day. An NLI comment says that it reached 50,000 itself within a week. This one might make 50,000 today, so perhaps it will be a record? [https:[email protected]/20866908436/]

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    Jan Hoogendoorn

    • 07/Jun/2017 16:09:00

    Seen and admired in Explore.

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    BlueisCoool

    • 07/Jun/2017 18:10:09

    A wonderful looking image, congrats on being explored.

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    cotefranoise

    • 07/Jun/2017 20:13:00

    Superbe

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 07/Jun/2017 20:41:03

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] I have just added this photo to our 50,000+ Views Album, it has taken just shy of 30 hours to reach the target, a phenomenal achievement and a record for our Flickr stream! Beachcomber you were correct - I did not believe! [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651136879037]

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 07/Jun/2017 23:03:52

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Amazing! I wonder what Mr French / Lawrence would have thought?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 08/Jun/2017 07:13:12

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] I think you ask a tough question. I would hope that they would be full of pride and startled that people are still in love with their photographs, I have no doubt that the internet would astonish and shock them in equal measure.

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