Bryansford House, Newcastle, Co. Down

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Where: 14 Hilltown Rd, Newcastle BT33 0PX, UK

When: Unknown

For a dull and wet Thursday morning in Dublin we head up to the "Wee North" today to gather some sunshine in Newcastle! Bryansford House looks like a significant pile with a certain symmetry to its frontage suggesting - almost- a semi-detached building?

We learned that this house was the main estate house at Tollymore Park demense - now an NI state forest park of the same name. Originally built for James Hamilton, Earl Clanbrassil in the 1730s, it was the family seat for several generations of the Earls of Roden, who developed the estate lands. The house itself fell into disrepair and was demolished in 1952. The estate, its forest, follies, barns and bridges (some of which we have visited before) thankfully survive....


Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Catalogue range c.1865-1914. Likely after c.1880

NLI Ref: L_CAB_02393

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Jun/2017 07:48:18

    That's the big house from Tollymore, I think. It's long gone - there's just the outbuildings and follies left.

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Jun/2017 07:49:52

    OSI: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,734305,832575,10,7

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 08/Jun/2017 08:20:20

    If you have a minute, will you help with the dating of this photo on the Royal Australian Historical Society Flickr stream. [https://www.flickr.com/photos/royalaustralianhistoricalsociety/34107666686/] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] is a friend of theirs.

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 08/Jun/2017 10:09:17

    It's strange that there is not much online about this house, even in the history of Tollymore - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tollymore_Forest_Park#History But here is a possible earliest date sighting - there is a 'similar item' of the "Barbican Gate" showing a jaunting car with a nameplate with "1898" or maybe "1893" carved into it. A possible maybe? See megazoom at catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000336569

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 08/Jun/2017 10:13:52

    Or maybe it's just a florid design after all !

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 08/Jun/2017 10:20:38

    Evidently in 1870, there was talk of the Prince of Wales (later King Edward VII) living here. Article compiled from several newspapers including the Irish TImes - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/130843014?searchTerm=b...

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    Vab2009

    • 08/Jun/2017 11:23:19

    Yep that is Tollymore. Rather sad that it is gone. There is a wee bit more about it here, including some more photographs. lordbelmontinnorthernireland.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/tolly...

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    Vab2009

    • 08/Jun/2017 11:25:23

    Demolished in 1952

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2017 11:53:12

    The DIA has a series of entries.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2017 12:23:51

    The 3rd, 4th and 5th Earls of Roden at thepeerage.com cover 1820-1897.

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 08/Jun/2017 12:28:52

    1787 etching (before additions) showing the view from the house to the "shadow of the Isle of Man on the horizon" - www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collecti...

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 08/Jun/2017 12:50:52

    giant egg down in front by the fence?

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 08/Jun/2017 13:03:07

    Melancholy Child Drowning Klaxon (1843) - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71618858 Countess of Roden (wife of 7th Earl 1910+) - www.thepeerage.com/p68401.htm#i684004 - was a "writer of some distinction", Ada Maria Jocelyn. See - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/98849688?searchTerm=tu... eg - www.victorian-novels.co.uk/?page=shop/flypage&product...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2017 13:05:26

    The DIA has an entry for additions, 1878-1880. If that etching is the before (also megazoomable in the nli archive here), then can we assume this is after the 1880 alts?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2017 13:46:48

    This is L_CAB_02393. With the usual caveats, L_CAB_02392 is the Gothic Gate from 1786. L_CAB_02391 is a distant view of the promenade in nearby Newcastle. Aargh, in L_CAB_02390, I can see houses being built in the distance! If I had NIAH here, I could give an exact year.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2017 13:59:52

    Aha! L_CAB_02388 (this whole sequence is in Newcastle) shows the lifeboat house (looking newish) which this page says was built in 1881.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2017 14:05:00

    L_CAB_02382 is later than 2390 - the houses are finished, so the sequence is very iffy for dating purposes.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2017 14:16:38

    I would suggest we are within a few years of 1880 - there are wires on the house for creepers, but the creepers are not grown...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 08/Jun/2017 16:44:18

    [https:[email protected]] has just named all of the people in the following photo, the girl sitting is his Mother. [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6168388473/]

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    guliolopez

    • 08/Jun/2017 22:19:25

    Interesting indeed [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] that the article on the park/demesne managed to omit the main house altogether. Something I've now corrected :)

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 08/Jun/2017 22:50:59

    [https:[email protected]] You are brilliant! [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] So are you! [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Admiring your megazoomable™ etchings. From a respectable distance. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etching#.22Etchings.22_euphemism

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 09/Jun/2017 10:59:12

    Thanks [https:[email protected]] for the original location confirmation - and [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia], [https://www.flickr.com/photos/vab2009], [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley], and [https:[email protected]] for the extra inputs. Description duly updated (half "borrowed") from guliolopez's Wikipedia change :)

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    Vab2009

    • 09/Jun/2017 12:59:40

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Just celebrating having my head above the parapet again :-D

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 09/Jun/2017 18:42:51

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/vab2009] We are all happy to hear that.