Group of what may be foreign dignitaries

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When: 01 January 1924

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A Fez, furs, feathers, monocles, moustaches, spats, top hats, flowers all add up to a very well dressed group with a lot of self esteem and no little wealth and importance. The army officer at the rear is clearly wearing an early Irish Army uniform so we can take it that it was taken in Ireland but what else do we know about them?

Almost simultaneously sharon.corbet and guliolopez suggested that this image is from the same period as a previous image from this stream. If so, it would date this image to 1924 (rather than the c.1922 of the catalogue entry), and probably capture a group of dignitaries, possibly at the Chief Steward's Lodge, during the inaugural Tailteann Games....


Photographer: W. D. Hogan

Collection: Hogan Wilson Collection

Date: Catalogue date c.1922. Possibly Aug c.1924

NLI Ref.: HOG190

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    sharon.corbet

    • 05/Sep/2017 08:32:16

    I think the fez-wearing man is here, meaning that it is probably Tailteann Games dignitaries again: [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/18426438103/]

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    guliolopez

    • 05/Sep/2017 08:32:50

    Some overlaps with this group? (Or am I just being swayed by the fez?) www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/18426438103/ [EDIT: Snap [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] :) ]

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    sharon.corbet

    • 05/Sep/2017 08:42:35

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] At least we have notes back this time!

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    John Spooner

    • 05/Sep/2017 09:34:26

    The account of the opening of the Tailteann Games in the London Times on Monday, Aug 04, 1924 says

    Mr Healy was accompanied by Sir John and Lady Lavery, and with him in the stand were Mr. Compton MacKenzie, Mr Augustus John, Mr G K Chesterton, Mr John MacCormack and Sir Edwin Lutyens, and a number of representative foreigners.
    Is that Augustus John third from left on the back row, with his best side towards the camera as in the Time cover? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_John#/media/File:Time-maga... I'm not so sure now. [edit; I'm convinced it isn't him, but the picture of him in the London Times at the even's garden party has his head at exactly the same angle]

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 05/Sep/2017 09:59:14

    "but what else do we know about them?" It is conspicuous, they are having a good time.

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    O Mac

    • 05/Sep/2017 10:19:08

    Given the garb and demeanor I'd guess they are envoys/ambassadors-- and their spouses-- to the United Kingdom.....being just post independence consulates would have yet to have been established in Ireland.

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 05/Sep/2017 10:41:18

    Was the photo taken at the former Chief Secretary's Lodge in the Phoenix Park (now the residence of the American Ambassador)? catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000563378

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    Inverarra

    • 05/Sep/2017 11:03:15

    Great to see that the art of "Photo Bombing" is an ancient Irish pastime. Thanks for posting.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 05/Sep/2017 11:42:06

    That clergyman in the front row is in all three pics. This was before we had a Nuncio, though. Do we have any press clip indicating a Papal Representative or a clergyman giving a blessing at the start of the games?

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    sharon.corbet

    • 05/Sep/2017 11:47:17

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] The last time we decided that it could be Monsignor Nolens.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 05/Sep/2017 11:48:47

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] According to a comment [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] made on the other photo: "The Prince is at present residing at Monte Carlo, where he owns a beautiful villa. It has been arranged to put the Chief Secretary’s Lodge in the Phoenix Park at his disposal during his stay in Dublin."

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    Bernard Healy

    • 05/Sep/2017 11:50:11

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] Thanks! I didn't realise we'd discussed one of the other photos. Do we have a link to the previous discussion? (Or am I just not seeing where that's linked?)

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    Bernard Healy

    • 05/Sep/2017 11:55:49

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] Sorry! For some reason links to other photos don't show up properly on my PC. I see the link now on the Flickr app. Apologies.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 05/Sep/2017 12:01:12

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] They are actually both the same photo. Myself and [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] were thinking alike this morning. Normally just clicking on the linked photo should bring you to the discussion.

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    O Mac

    • 05/Sep/2017 14:06:02

    The man sitting with both arms and legs crossed looks like the Swedish ambassador to UK Erik Palmstierna.

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    guliolopez

    • 05/Sep/2017 19:41:11

    I had a look through the archives this evening. Of the two largely confirmed diplomats we see (Mirza Riza Khan of Persia, & Erik Palmstierna), there is no mention of either as having been in Dublin before (or indeed after) the Tailteann Games in Jul/Aug 1924. Coupled with the similarities with the windows at the Chief Secretary's Lodge, and confirmation that the Persian party stayed there during the visit, I think it's pretty clear we're looking at Jul/Aug 1924. Who the other dignitaries are, we could likely take our pick. A chunk of the delegates are mentioned in this "who's who" from the opening ceremonies (Freeman's Journal, 1924, page 7): www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/37050105135/

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    Dún Laoghaire Micheál

    • 05/Sep/2017 21:47:15

    Picture Caption in the Weekly Irish Times 9 Aug 1924: "The Governor General, Prince Mira Riza Khan, the Maheraja Sahib of Nawanegay and Sir John Lavery at Croke Park at the Opening of the Tailteann Games on Saturday"

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 05/Sep/2017 22:39:49

    Thanks all - have updated the tags, description, etc. Looking at the "dignitaries by country" list in [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]]'s snippet, could the man on the left foreground (in the lozely spats) be Carlos Magalhães de Azeredo of Brazil?

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    simbajak

    • 06/Sep/2017 01:16:19

    Great image.

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    Dr. Ilia

    • 18/Sep/2017 09:00:08

    great capture