View of a Dublin Street (Dorset Street), Drumcondra, Co. Dublin

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Where: 99-101 Dorset Street Lower, Inns Quay, Dublin, Ireland

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A visit to the Eason collection for Tuesday with a great and busy view of Dorset Street in Dublin's city centre. While it does not have the clarity and detail of yesterdays Lawrence Royal plate it has lots going on and plenty of names to aid an exciting search!

Following an initial "gut feel" from Beachcomber, and some slightly more evidence-based sleuthing by Bernard Healy (assisted by Niall McAuley), it seems likely that this image was taken around 1913 - give or take a few years. Probably in the run-up to Easter. This is based on the cards on offer at no.24 Dorest Street, but mainly on the (perhaps then newly opened) Tylers bootstore at no.29. Just goes to show that there is room in our detective ranks for both the gut instinct of the gumshoe, and the hardslog of the criminalist :)


Photographer: Unknown

Collection: Eason Photographic Collection

Date: Catalogue range c.1900-1939. Likely c.1913. Around Easter

NLI Ref: EAS_1682

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Sep/2017 08:09:10

    There's a load of trees in the way of getting the same angle on streetview. www.google.ie/maps/@53.3585378,-6.2624228,3a,75y,63.04h,8...

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    swordscookie back and trying to catch up!

    • 26/Sep/2017 08:23:31

    Taken from the Eccles Street side looking down towards the Dorset St. Gardiner Street junction. Super detail!

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    Foxglove

    • 26/Sep/2017 08:36:56

    I see one small boy with the classic dropped shoulders and slow walk for "Go out and get a pint of milk"

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 26/Sep/2017 10:04:46

    An educated guess - it is March 1913. There is a 'similar item' not too far away with heaps of newspaper billboards - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000557501 - which talk of the "Balkan War" and a whole lot of local news which may narrow down the date to a particular day. First Balkan War started in October 1912 and lasted to May 1913 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Wars#First_Balkan_War . And Easter Sunday (see note about 'Easter Cards') was March 23rd in 1913. Or not ? ... ...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2017 12:00:07

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Well, it is consistent with march 1913, but i don't think there is any reason to suppose it is the same date as the other one just because thay are nearby...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 26/Sep/2017 12:21:00

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Yes, I know; that's why I wrote 'an educated guess'. Other photos from the Eason Collection have been c. 1912 and 1914. These street corner photos are like a commissioned survey for the tram company or council. They are too dreary (imho !! ) for postcards etc. It would be sensible and natural to photograph them at the same time.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 26/Sep/2017 13:16:54

    I think the key to dating this one is the presence of 'Tyler & Sons' next door to O'Loughlin's Public House. I've been looking through the census returns for 'Lower Dorset Street' in 1901 & 1911. You'll find this section in the 'Rotunda' electoral area. The names and uses of the various buildings in the photo are a _lot_ closer to the 1911 census return than to the 1901. Several of the shops visible here (Nos 24 & 25) seem to be private dwellings in 1901, but have been converted into shops by 1911. We find Alexanders in No 23 & Stynes in 24 by 1911. The one puzzler is the shop beyond O'Loughlin's. IN 1901 it is listed as being a shop & dwelling. In 1911 it is listed as being a private dwelling. If we can find out when Tyler's shop moved in there we can narrow down the date. Anyone have access to Thom's directory for that period?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2017 13:29:46

    O'Loughlin, Thos, family grocer was at #28 in 1913.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 26/Sep/2017 13:39:10

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] Can you figure out when Tyler's opened next door?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2017 13:43:06

    Here is a listing from the 1918 Post Office directory: 23 Alexander & Co. Drapers 24 Byrne, W.P. tobacco and stationery 25 Harold's-cross Laundry (branch) 26 Dungan, J. dairy 27 McGuinness & Co. drapers 27a Conway P. Butcher ...here Gardiner st. intersects... O'Loughlin, Thomas F. tea and wine merchant 29 Murphy, James Ross 30 Whitty, Wm, tobaconnist 31 Murtagh, Mrs. H etc. No Tyler Boots.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2017 13:44:28

    Stynes gone by 1918

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2017 13:51:07

    Poor Thos O'Loughlin was actually dead by 1911, his widow Jane was the boss by then per the House and Building form.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 26/Sep/2017 13:52:25

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] I've popped in to the library - found an ad for Tyler's listing several Dublin locations - including 29 Dorset Street - from 3 March 1913 Evening Herald. I'm going to see if I can narrow our dates.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 26/Sep/2017 13:58:05

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] And I've found a Nov 4th 1914 ad that includes several Dublin outlets, but no Dorset Street!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2017 13:59:12

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] Good find. Even from our online sources, I think we can say after the April 1911 census, before the 1918 directory. And we know it is shortly before Easter, so Easter 1912-1918 makes your 1913 look rather likely!

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    Bernard Healy

    • 26/Sep/2017 15:15:56

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] Got called away from the library, but am back now. Based on adverts in Evening Herald, the earliest I can find of Tyler's at 29 Lower Dorset Street is Jan 23rd 1913. The last reference I can find is 26th May 1916.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 26/Sep/2017 15:20:26

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] Ad in Freeman's Journal pushes that out to 6th June 1916.

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    silverio10

    • 26/Sep/2017 21:03:27

    Buenas fotos antiguas .

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Sep/2017 23:50:22

    Thanks all! Excellent detecting as usual. Map, description and (importantly) date are updated. (FYI - While I know that [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia]'s gut-feel wasn't [to mix my metaphors] licked off a stone, I had a Cagney and Lacey trope going in my head. And just went with it :) Poetic licence you see...)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Sep/2017 23:56:52

    PS. As I'd never seen them as a kid, I had thought of Easter cards as a relatively modern racket. By the card industry. And yet, here we see them for sale 100 years ago. Is my cynicism tempered? Maybe. But perhaps only insofar as I now see them as a longer-standing racket :) (I'll still gladly take the chocolate instead :) )

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    Bernard Healy

    • 27/Sep/2017 08:31:15

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] Easter cards made sense in a more religious age when postal communication was _the_ way to keep in touch with family & friends. They do seem to be more of a racket in a more secular age when we send fewer letters.

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    Dr. Ilia

    • 27/Sep/2017 09:00:06

    Great shot!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 27/Sep/2017 12:48:13

    Well observed [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy]!

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    philfluther

    • 27/Sep/2017 15:15:34

    Neither city nor suburb. No heart.

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    BlueisCoool

    • 29/Sep/2017 16:21:34

    A very impressive street photograph.

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    jamica1

    • 03/Oct/2017 17:58:43

    Interesting mix of transportation technologies