The difference between an "N" and an "L"?

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Where: Tower Lodge, Kilcarra West, Woodenbridge, Co. Wicklow, Ireland

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When: Unknown

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The question of the day, apart from the where, when, who of most days is whether the name contains an "N" as in Kincara or and "L" as in Kilcara? I suspect that dating this will not be easy with the lack of identifiable clues but you will have to admit that it is a nice shot of what seems to have been a lovely sunny day!

Today's contributors point in particular to the NIAH entry for Kilcarra House (with an "L"), which confirms that this lodge was built c.1888. Seemingly part of the Glenart estate (now a hotel), the gate house was apparently up for sale in recent years - although with a new family crest gracing its arch!


Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Catalogue range c.1865-1914. Certainly after c.1888 (construction)

NLI Ref: L_CAB_05687

You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie

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    Carol Maddock

    • 13/Dec/2017 09:10:30

    Deffo after 1888, anyway!

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 13/Dec/2017 09:15:49

    Streetview: www.google.ie/maps/@52.8282761,-6.2260842,3a,51.1y,269.62...

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 13/Dec/2017 09:16:23

    OSI 25" Map: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,719522,676757,12,9

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 13/Dec/2017 09:23:01

    For Sale in 2012 - www.independent.ie/life/home-garden/homes/fairytale-endin...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 13/Dec/2017 09:35:09

    NIAH entry

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    domenico milella

    • 13/Dec/2017 09:46:24

    Congratulation for your beautiful Album.

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    Joefuz

    • 13/Dec/2017 09:47:29

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Worth more than €325,000 now I'd say!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 13/Dec/2017 09:59:49

    There was a wonderful water garden behind, see these reverse views - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000323363 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000334402 Which implies the photos were taken well after 1888 when the garden had matured. Streetview goes through the arch and some of the exotic plants are still there - www.google.ie/maps/@52.8283357,-6.2272959,3a,75y,122.82h,...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 13/Dec/2017 10:00:46

    The interlinked Cs and Earl's coronet are from the stamp of William Proby, 5th Earl of Carysfort

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    sam2cents

    • 13/Dec/2017 10:52:37

    Is it a trick of the light or are those windows broken and/or missing panes? Incidentally, according to the map it's 'Kilcarra'. "Friend's Church" or maybe 'Sheep Church' or 'Lamb's Church' as in Lamb of God?

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    wanderingshaner

    • 13/Dec/2017 10:58:45

    Beautiful.

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    sam2cents

    • 13/Dec/2017 11:22:15

    I'm reliably informed this was one of the entrances to the Glenart Castle estate, and was probably the main entrance at one point. And you can drive up that road under the arch and there are loads of private houses there now all across the hillsides.

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    maorlando - God keeps me as I lean on Him!!

    • 13/Dec/2017 12:06:35

    Lovely!!! Wishing you & yours a blessed Merry Christmas from Texas my friend!!!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 13/Dec/2017 13:49:38

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/sam2cents] Good man Sam, Friends or Lambs Church sounds good!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 13/Dec/2017 13:56:47

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/maorlando] And a very Merry Christmas to you and yours Angela!

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    robinparkes

    • 13/Dec/2017 13:57:37

    I've lost count of the number of times I've ridden past that place on my bike while staying in or near Arklow. www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/38144624295/

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    sam2cents

    • 13/Dec/2017 14:43:04

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Thanks! But I could be miles off the mark too.

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 13/Dec/2017 15:50:08

    Here's the entry for Kilcarra West in the database of the Placenames Branch: www.logainm.ie/55163.aspx John O'Donovan seems to consider that the placename derives from 'St Carthach's church', though this hasn't been validated

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 13/Dec/2017 23:25:58

    Thanks all! Have tweaked the date, description, and map.

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 14/Dec/2017 00:47:46

    In your photo's right lower foreground looks like multiple tracks from either wagon wheels or narrow tires, on a muddy road. Also, when were gutters and downspouts first installed/used in Ireland. The straw hat and footwear also give clues. I was thinking around 1905.

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    andrewholmes

    • 25/Dec/2017 18:18:20

    Fairly sure I stayed there in September - now an Air BnB run by a lovely yoga teacher.