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Where: 2 St Augustine Pl, Limerick, Ireland

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The statue of some cleric sitting in splendid isolation in St. Mary's Cathedral in Limerick City to begin the week. Last week we visited the beautiful county of Clare and today we go east to the gateway to the Shannon and the spiritual home of Rugby on the island of Ireland.

The main learnings from today's photo concern the three memorials pictured:
 • Centre is a statue of John Webb (bishop; 1775–1833) which was sculpted by Edward Hodges Baily in 1836.
 • Right is a memorial to Thomas Summerfield (major; c.1767-1833) which was commissioned by his fellow officers, and
 • Left is a memorial to George Tierney (merchant; d.1788) placed by his nephew following a bequest to the church in which it stands.

In terms of dating this image, Niall McAuley offers a well-consider suggestion that it was captured prior to some renovation works (in this corner of the cathedral) which completed around 1880....


Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Catalogue range c.1865-1914. Maybe before 1880 (renovation)

NLI Ref: L_CAB_02704

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    Dr. Ilia

    • 08/Jan/2018 09:00:05

    Wonderful capture 👏👏👏

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 08/Jan/2018 09:24:24

    Bishop John Jebb (7 September 1775 – 9 December 1833) Interesting character - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jebb_(bishop) Flickr is sometimes amazing - in 2009 via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/rslwn/] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/rslwn/3717290369/]

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 08/Jan/2018 09:27:09

    Actually the memorial says 27 September 1775 ... Edit - And The Peerage thinks he died in 1832 ... www.thepeerage.com/p42087.htm#i420870

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    Carol Maddock

    • 08/Jan/2018 09:33:49

    Thomas Summerfield was promoted to Major in the 83rd Regiment "without purchase" in place of "Napper, deceased" in 1820/21. (Freemans Journal, 4 January 1821) Newspaper snippet includes the word "Brevet" about Summerfield. Hadn't come across that before. OED says brevet is "A former type of military commission conferred especially for outstanding service, by which an officer was promoted to a higher rank without the corresponding pay.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 08/Jan/2018 10:01:24

    It looks like the Bishop has moved forward and there is a font there now. Isn't this is against the rules of chess?! YouTubeView - from about 1:42 - youtu.be/1PwJ08w47b4

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jan/2018 12:17:53

    The DIA pins the Jebb statue on Edward Hodges Baily, dated 1836.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jan/2018 12:22:00

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] The bishop must have made two moves, not one.

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    Foxglove

    • 08/Jan/2018 17:32:51

    possibly moved by the Mrs Doyle's of this world when they swept the knave. gosh to think there could be a C.o.I version of Mrs doyle

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    Foxglove

    • 08/Jan/2018 17:33:50

    maybe moved during the knight?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 08/Jan/2018 20:19:20

    Thanks all. So, what I've gleaned from all the various inputs is that three separate men (or their memorials) are pictured: • Statue of John Webb (bishop; 1775–1833). Sculpted by Edward Hodges Baily c.1836 • Memorial to Thomas Summerfield (Major; c.1767-1833). Placed by his fellow officers of the 83rd Regiment • Memorial to George Tierney (Merchant? d.1788 Naples?). Placed by his nephew because he willed £500 to the Bishop of Limerick Fantastic that this is, it seems that, unless we discover an explanation or date for the (Ballinspittle-style) moving statue phenomenon, we may have to make do with the original catalogue range :)

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    guliolopez

    • 08/Jan/2018 20:45:00

    As the Tierney parchment seems like it may have been semi-permanent, I had a look for it in contemporary descriptions. It doesn't help with dating (as it predates both this image and the placement of the Jebb statue), but there's a description and transcription in "The History, Topography and Antiquities of the County and City of Limerick". (Fitzgerald and McGregor, 1827). Likely Tierney was unmarried and had no direct descendants. Hence his bequest to the church and his brothers' children.

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    silverio10

    • 08/Jan/2018 22:16:51

    Buenas fotos antiguas

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    philfluther

    • 09/Jan/2018 13:10:37

    Crucifixion scene etc. wall.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 09/Jan/2018 15:26:09

    Also from the DIA entry on the cathedral: Date: 1876-77 Nature: GES's advice sought on continuation of work of restoration. Submits report, recommending that plaster be removed from stone piers and that common masonry of interior exposed. The work on the North aisle completed in 1880, the South in 1892.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 09/Jan/2018 15:28:34

    The font is on the NW side, so I think we are before 1880.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 09/Jan/2018 20:38:23

    Strangely the Bishop does not feature at all on this 1891 map of the interior, and the Jebb Chapel is called Arthur Chapel - i0.wp.com/limerickslife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/pl... from - limerickslife.com/st-marys-cathedral/

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/Jan/2018 00:49:16

    Oooh [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] - A nice find. Worthy of a note in the margins :) And [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] - That is an interesting find. As much for its omissions as its contents!