Wedding group : commissioned by Capt.Thomas Hayes. Union Barracks, Kilmacthomas

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Where: Tramore Villas, Lower Branch Rd, Tramore East, Tramore, Co. Waterford, Ireland

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A handsome military group celebrating the nuptials of Captain Thomas Hayes? There is, however, less than military precision on display - some wearing`gloves and others holding them, some wearing caps and other bareheaded!

With thanks to various contributors, including our own Carol Maddock, it seems certain that this is a wedding party shot from the June wedding of Captain Thomas Hayes (of Union Barracks, Kilmacthomas) and Miss Anne "Nan" Walsh (of Tramore). Along with other groomsmen and bridesmaids is apparently Commandant Patrick "Paddy" Paul (of Waterford). Based on investigations by ofarrl, it seems certain that the group are pictured at the door to Kelly's Hotel in Tramore. Spanking new at the time of this shot, the hotel was felled and rebuilt in the 1980s, and is now the site of the Majestic Hotel...


Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: c.27 June 1923

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 3109

You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 22/Jan/2018 08:55:39

    Here is the extended family; it looks like they are in a park with a big fountain behind - a clue to location? catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000593681

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 22/Jan/2018 09:01:08

    27 June 1923 was a Wednesday. Hmm...

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    Carol Maddock

    • 22/Jan/2018 09:10:47

    MILITARY WEDDING The marriage took place at Tramore on Wednesday of Captain Thomas Hayes, Kilmacthomas, and Miss Nan Walsh, Tramore. (Munster Express, Saturday, 30 June 1923)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 22/Jan/2018 09:33:30

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] That is an even more interesting family group and there is even a police presence to balance the militaristic feel?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Jan/2018 09:42:02

    Nan was often short for Anne. Here is a 10 year old Anne Walsh in 1911, living in a big house.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Jan/2018 10:04:12

    The house behind looks brand new to me.

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    derangedlemur

    • 22/Jan/2018 10:33:00

    This is presumably Union Barracks - the old workhouse: www.google.ie/maps/@52.2017549,-7.4082636,3a,43.1y,102.62... maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,640561,605781,11,9 It's not the building pictured though.

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    derangedlemur

    • 22/Jan/2018 11:47:26

    These people ahve a fountain in Tramore: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,657845,600966,12,9

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    John Spooner

    • 22/Jan/2018 12:20:22

    A.H. Poole in Tramore trivia: Poole's last communication with his family, on Friday 16th November 1928, was a note saying he was going to Tramore and might remain there the night. They never saw him or heard from him again. Arthur Henri Poole's signature

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    Carol Maddock

    • 22/Jan/2018 13:45:04

    Captain Thomas Hayes, aged 27 (in 1922). Home address Garryowen, Limerick. Date and place of Attestation (?) was 14th April 1922 in Kilkenny. He was Roman Catholic and as he wasn't married to Nan yet, his next-of-kin was his father Edward Hayes of Garryowen, Limerick. That military census was taken at Midnight 12th-13th November 1922. He was then at Kilmacthomas Post, 2nd Southern Division. (All from the Mighty Military Archives)

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    ofarrl

    • 22/Jan/2018 14:45:28

    I suspect this might have been taken at the back of Glenart House on Waterford Road, Tramore. The blockwork appears to be identical. The house has been added to at some point and there is no good view I can find of the back. Glenart House is now a bed & breakfast . www.glenarttramore.com/

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Jan/2018 15:06:55

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] The blockwork and windowsill look right. The website calls it a 1920s house which matches the new look in this photo. This side view suggests that the rear has been extended a lot in a different style - this doorway may no longer be there.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 22/Jan/2018 15:10:57

    I'm assuming this is our Thomas Hayes, labourer in butter factory, aged 16 - in Garryowen and son of Edward.

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    derangedlemur

    • 22/Jan/2018 15:29:15

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] NIAH doesn't appear to consider it noteworthy, which would be why my trawl of buildings between 1920 and 1940 in Waterford didn't turn up anything. It's either not architecture or not heritage.

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    Inverarra

    • 22/Jan/2018 17:57:05

    Just a month after the order to dump arms by the anti treaty side and the end of the Civil war. Strange times.

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    ofarrl

    • 22/Jan/2018 18:32:12

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/] the group photo you linked to above is very interesting, the officer seated second from right, front row is Commandant Patrick "Paddy" Paul who a couple of years previous to this had taken part in the Pickardstown Ambush, not too far from where I believe this photo was taken. Another one of the group( standing just to the left of the Civic Guard) appears to be a young J.J. Walsh whose father at the time was owner and editor of the Munster Express. J.J., or smokey Joe as he was known, inherited the business after his father's death. Paddy Paul (not Hetherington) posted previously by NLI November 7, 1922

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    silverio10

    • 22/Jan/2018 19:50:14

    Buenas fotos antiguas .

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 22/Jan/2018 20:29:08

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Good work there! The young priest does not look like a happy chappy in either photo.

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    maorlando - God keeps me as I lean on Him!!

    • 22/Jan/2018 21:52:26

    Marvelous portrait!!!

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    ofarrl

    • 22/Jan/2018 22:41:28

    Just had someone on Facebook suggest the Majestic Hotel as the location for the photo and looking in the catalogue it seems that is more likely. This is the building that was the original hotel which stood where the Majestic is now, it has the same type of blockwork and front entrance, Kellys Hotel

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    guliolopez

    • 22/Jan/2018 23:37:11

    I think [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] has it - that doorway is a clear match. And, with no offence to Glenart House B&B, the Majestic Hotel seems ever more likely a wedding destination. PS: According to this book ("Waterford Through Time"), the hotel was built in the 1920s. Which would account for the same blockwork as the nearby 1920s house, and the "newness" evident in the Poole shot. It seemingly closed in the 1970s before being destroyed by fire. The new Majestic Hotel is built on its ruin (rather than "around" a previous building).

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    sam2cents

    • 23/Jan/2018 01:34:35

    The really weird thing about your choice of photo is I have never in my life knowingly met a person named Hayes, although there are quite a few in public life, on TV etc, but today a technician came to the house to fix the landline, which involved replacing a junction box. Before he left we checked the internet, clicking onto your page and this image came up, which was very coincidental as his name was Hayes.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Jan/2018 01:46:17

    Coincidence indeed [https://www.flickr.com/photos/sam2cents] :) WIth thanks in particular today to [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] (for confirmation of the location) and [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] (on the subjects), I've dutifully updated the map, tags and description to reflect your stirling work. A pity to have to add this to the "no longer standing" album though....

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    Niall McAuley

    • 23/Jan/2018 06:12:53

    Per [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]]'s link, Mr. Kelly of the Hotel also owned: December 18, 1928

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    guliolopez

    • 23/Jan/2018 09:23:56

    Well spotted [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley]. Hadn't copped that. FYI - I found Poole's image in the Irish Independent (magazine section) of 2 July 1923. Under a title "Topical Pictures of Universal Interest", and between pictures illustrating the engagement notice of a Mountbatten and some Swedish Crown Price: www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/28072894049/ The caption doesn't confirm location, or much else, but does corroborate [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]]'s ID of Paddy Paul:

    Marriage Group taken on the occasion of the marriage of Capt. T. Hayes, O/C "B" Co., 14th Infantry Batt., Union Barracks, Kilmacthomas, and Miss N. Walsh, Tramore. Included are the bride and bridegroom, best man, bridesmaids. On extreme right - Comdt. P. Paul (Waterford). —Poole, Waterford

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    simbajak

    • 23/Jan/2018 17:37:14

    Capt. Thomas Hayes has a soldiers swagger and stance...