"Louie's arrival at Hodder. Two boys smiling wearing short pants standing at either side of an ornamental vase"

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When: 01 April 1898

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Two main questions today on this photograph from our Clonbrock collection – Who is Louie? And where is Hodder? Bonus points for suggestions as to why these little chaps were so delighted with themselves...

Quickest off the mark (and undoubtedly on the ball) was sharon.corbet, who suggests that this is Louis Meldon on the occasion of his commencement at Hodder Place, a Catholic (Jesuit) boarding school in England. We've met the Meldon's before - as presumed relatives of the Dillon's of Clonbrock, there are more than a few of their family shots in that collection. And, indeed, Louis himself has cropped up more than once....


Photographers: Dillon family

Contributors: Luke Gerald Dillon, Augusta Caroline Dillon

Collection: Clonbrock Photographic Collection

Date: April 1898

NLI Ref: CLON1934

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    sharon.corbet

    • 23/Jan/2019 09:17:01

    This is Louis and George Meldon (we think). Hodder is an English Boarding School. See here, for further detail: [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/23645258470]

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Jan/2019 09:17:53

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] Scary speedy, Sharon! So, delighted to be arriving at Boarding School?

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    sharon.corbet

    • 23/Jan/2019 09:31:20

    Hodder Place info on wikipedia. It was the prep school for Stonyhurst. [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] That's what I thought - particularly finally joining his older brother.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Jan/2019 13:31:54

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] So Louie is probably more properly Louis then. And as Hodder Place was near Clitheroe in Lancashire, that makes Louis an honorary Clitheroe Kid.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 23/Jan/2019 20:33:10

    Possibly the vase and steps are on the east (shaded) side of the building - Google satellite view - www.google.com.au/maps/place/Hodder+Place,+Knowles+Brow,+... I think the young gentlemen are happy to find a tennis ball in the vase. Finders keepers!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 23/Jan/2019 20:43:38

    Frances Frith photo of the east side terraces - I can't see the vase - www.francisfrith.com/stonyhurst-college/stonyhurst-the-co... The light on their faces is wrong for looking east - and the buttons on their coats are on the wrong side - I think the image needs flipping...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Jan/2019 23:10:27

    Thanks [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia]. As soon as I can figure out why the mapping feature has stopped working for me, I'll be sure to update the location coordinates ;) In the meantime I've updated to account for [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet]'s speedy inputs :)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Jan/2019 08:54:33

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] That Frith image is c.1950 - 50 years of schoolboys may have put paid to the Greek urn. ("What's a Greek urn? Ten drachmas a week!")

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Jan/2019 09:00:31

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Putting you on the naughty step (behind the urn) for that ancient joke!

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    sharon.corbet

    • 24/Jan/2019 09:37:29

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] I don't think we ever actually figured out what the connection was between the Meldons and the Clonbrock family. The grandfather of the Louis Meldon here (Louis Jr.) was James Dillon Meldon, so there may have been a distant link, but it seems a bit too distant to explain why so many photos of the (probable) Meldon family was mixed in with the Clonbrock collection.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Jan/2019 09:55:22

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] The 1911 census says Rose Meldon was born in Co. Galway, and includes "Irenan" Dora Kenny, a Relative, also born in Co. Galway, 6 years younger than Rose. Could Rose have been Rose Kenny from near Clonbrock?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Jan/2019 09:58:27

    Rose would have been born around 1855, married in 1884ish.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Jan/2019 10:02:06

    Yes, here they are getting married in 1881. Father George C. Kenny, Gentleman.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 24/Jan/2019 10:03:45

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] I somehow decided the last time round that she was the daughter of George Comyn Kenny from Longford Castle, Co. Galway. Which Google claims is about 35 km from Ahascragh.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Jan/2019 10:07:04

    Witness Marian Dora Kenny is surely the "Irenan" Dora Kenny in the census.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 24/Jan/2019 10:17:35

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] She's with her brother in 1901 which aso confirms the Comyn Kenny bit.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 24/Jan/2019 10:33:39

    Sorry to interrupt the genial genealogists - second thoughts about the precise location ... There are carriage wheel marks in the bottom of the photo, which means they are on the circular driveway, SE of the building. Another Frances Frith photo (try saying that with a mouthful of toast!) shows the two plinths either side of a dark shrub - www.francisfrith.com/stonyhurst-college/stonyhurst-the-co... And Flickr is sometimes amazing! There is a wall there now - in 2011 via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6423817261]

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Jan/2019 10:50:42

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] I think it is a hedge rather than a wall...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 24/Jan/2019 11:00:12

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Yes! www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7685615230/

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Jan/2019 12:06:43

    Indeed - Thanks [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet]. I've changed it to "presumed" rellies :) Thanks for the extra refinement on the location [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia]. Although, unfortunately, the mapping feature still seems to be borked for me. (No matter what browser or computer I use, the map displays as entirely blank. And so doesn't allow me to set a location for the image.)