Gap Cottage, Killarney, Co. Kerry

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NOT - Kate Kearney's Cottage, Killarney, Co. Kerry as per our Catalogue and the face of the photo.

Thanks to Beara Peninsula we now know that this is not the infamous Kate Kearney's Cottage it is in fact Gap Cottage at the Head of the Gap of Dunloe.

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: The Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: between ca. 1865-1914

NLI Ref: L_CAB_01036

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    Beara Peninsula

    • 05/May/2015 07:53:53

    If it is Kate Kearney's cottage the mountain behind has shrunk a lot since this photograph was taken. www.google.ie/maps/@52.040109,-9.631741,3a,75y,93.07h,80....

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    derangedlemur

    • 05/May/2015 07:59:00

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] That's roughly where it's marked on the 25": maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,488060,588826,7,9

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    derangedlemur

    • 05/May/2015 08:02:00

    I guess it must have been ten yards further up the road: www.google.ie/maps/@52.039742,-9.63208,3a,75y,114.11h,85.... Edit: No, the modern OSI shows they're in the same place: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,488032,588798,7,3

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    Beara Peninsula

    • 05/May/2015 08:04:03

    This photograph was not taken at what is now Kate Kearneys but here. www.google.ie/maps/@51.999878,-9.644749,3a,65.4y,221.41h,...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 05/May/2015 08:05:55

    Looks a bit different to the photo on the Kate Kearney's Cottage website too.

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    derangedlemur

    • 05/May/2015 08:06:38

    It is, in fact, Gap Cottage: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,487054,584346,6,7 [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Good find!

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    Beara Peninsula

    • 05/May/2015 08:07:19

    Which is 5. Km further south. www.google.ie/maps/dir/51.9997858,-9.6450096/Kate+Kearney...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 05/May/2015 08:12:56

    The NLI has another photo or two of Gap Cottage.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 05/May/2015 08:23:04

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Oh I love it when you challenge the Library's records, this is great! Now what's the name of the horse:-)

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    derangedlemur

    • 05/May/2015 08:38:06

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland It's a fairly villainous looking beast. No doubt https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner can find some reference to it in the court proceedings

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 05/May/2015 09:11:23

    "Kate Kearney's Cottage, Killarney, County Kerry" - the tongue-twisting alliteration prompted me to attempt a limerick, but I find that "Lady Morgan" did it way better back in 1910 - trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/108174420 (Freeman's Journal, Sydney 20/10/1910, p.37) KATE KEARNEY.. 0, did you not hear of Kate Kearney She lives on the banks of Killarney, From the glance of her eye shun danger and fly, For fatal's the glance of Kate Kearney! For that eye is so modestly beaming, You'd ne'er think of mischief she's dreaming Yet, oh, I can tell how fatal's the spell That links in the eye of Kate Kearney! 0, should you e'er meet this Kate Kearney, Who lives on the banks of Killarney, Beware of her smile, for many a wile Lies hid in the smile of Kate Kearney. Though she looks so bewitchingly simple, There's mischief in every dimple; Who dares inhale her mouth's spicy gale Must die by the breath of Kate Kearney. Lady Morgan

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 05/May/2015 09:13:49

    Oops! I see that Lady Morgan was not the author ,,, www.contemplator.com/ireland/kearney.html Original published version of 1820 - mh.cla.umn.edu/kate.html

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    DannyM8

    • 05/May/2015 09:22:04

    Gap of Dunloe Outrage near Gap Cottage IT May 1907 https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/17189597528/

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 05/May/2015 13:57:13

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Nice bit of research Danny! With the horse nappy controversy of recent years it appears that tempers run high in the little bit of heaven down in Kerry!

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    Carol Maddock

    • 05/May/2015 18:45:28

    Knew I remembered this group! They appear in a few Kerry Stereo Pairs… This one at Gap Cottage definitely taken at the same time. Also at the Upper Lake, and going along the Gap of Dunloe. Do ye remember Shop Street in Drogheda where a ladder, etc. showed that the Lawrence photo (probably taken by Robert French) was also taken on the same day as the Stereo Pair one (photographers James Simonton? / Frederick Holland Mares?). In Into the Light, Sarah Rouse writes of the Stereo Pairs:

    While this collection was acquired with the Lawrence Collection, historically it has been treated as a separate collection, as it covers an earlier time, is in a different format, and was not created by the Lawrence firm. … Some of these photographers’ [Simonton & Mares] negatives were acquired by John Fortune Lawrence, a Grafton Street merchant who owned a photographic gallery. His brother William Mervyn Lawrence [our Lawrence] eventually marketed these and other stereographs…
    Is the photographic collection plot thickening? Are these two collections more connected than previously thought? Am I off my rocker?

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    nannyjean35

    • 05/May/2015 19:27:53

    wonderful old picture

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    O Mac

    • 05/May/2015 22:12:12

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I had been wondering about that too --- the W.L./STP connection thing--- not your rocker. But If you really want to be confused have a look at these "both the sames" and who took them.....?? What was the connection between these photographers? catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000519463 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000564245 These later photographs have to be from copy negatives made from one of the stereo pair images and cropped. The format is always narrower than the square (ish) image it was taken from--probably to enhance composition and also to avoid the middle narrative. Photoplagiarism I'd say.. What's new huh?

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    Carol Maddock

    • 06/May/2015 13:42:15

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] As you say, the Mason one deffo looks as if it arose from a stereo pair negative. But I'm less bewitched and bothered by these two, as I've never thought of the images in the Mason Collection as taken by Thomas Mason, but rather that he distributed and displayed the collections of other photographers...