Roundwood, Co. Wicklow

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Roundwood as none of us will have seen it. Irelands highest village looks like a tiny hamlet dominated by a fine stone church with maidens dancing at the crossroads (sorry, I got a bit carried away there)! Children in pinnies, a sunhat on display and a soft misty fog on the mountains, Ireland as we dream of it.

Given that subject and location are clear, the main discussion today was on date. The general consensus (based on businesses and buildings visible) is that we are likely closer to the first half of the catalogue range (c.1880s) than to the upper bound (c.1900). Interestingly, BeachcomberAustralia highlights that this very picture hangs in the lounge of the (now very smartly rennovated) building on the right hand side of the street. Where they have dated it c.1890....


Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Catalogue range c.1880-1900. Likely early in range c.1880s

NLI Ref: L_ROY_00522

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Nov/2017 08:55:19

    This is not the main street. On the GeoHive OSI 25" you can see that the Hotels, RIC barracks, Post office are all around the corner to the right, and out of sight. In Streetview, we can see Vartry House is still there at left.

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    B-59

    • 08/Nov/2017 08:56:28

    Streetview

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Nov/2017 09:00:50

    The church was completed in 1871, no help.

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    B-59

    • 08/Nov/2017 09:02:36

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Your link must be mistaken, but it's here IMO: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,719034,702680,11,9

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Nov/2017 09:07:22

    No Thomas Keane by the 1901 census

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Nov/2017 09:08:33

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks!

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    BultacoFan

    • 08/Nov/2017 09:22:16

    I'm going to guess very much closer to 1880 than 1900. No suggestion of concrete footpaths, and is that an open sewer or just a large drain? Also what looks like children barefoot in or around the manure in the street.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Nov/2017 09:22:17

    That 25" was surveyed in 1908, and shows trees around the church. The church looks fairly new here. I think I see an RIC man in a pill-box hat. I am thinking nearer 1880 than 1900.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 08/Nov/2017 10:20:24

    An 8-legged dog (see note and megazoom). Or is it two dogs doing what nature intended?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Nov/2017 10:36:32

    The main street with hotels etc. in the archive.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 08/Nov/2017 10:53:53

    In terms of dating, the photo is definitely before the 25" map. If you look at the OSI map you'll see little porches on the north and south of the church. They are also visible in today's streetview. The south porch is not shown in this photo. (Edited to add: Ooops! Didn't notice that we already had 1900 as an upper date range.)

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    Bernard Healy

    • 08/Nov/2017 11:24:39

    I think I've found the entry in the Calendar of Wills for the Thomas Keane whose name is on the shop/pub. He died 20 May 1884 and is described as a shopkeeper. That leads me to this transcription of his gravestone in Glendalough: Of your charity, pray for the repose of the Souls of, John Keane, of Roundwood, who died, 22nd Oct. 1849, aged, 68 years, and of his beloved wife, Elizabeth, who departed this life, 3rd Feb. 1807, aged 22? Years, also their son, Thomas Keane, who departed this life, 20th May 1884, aged, 56 years, also their loving son, John Kean, who died, 2nd June 1877, aged, 77 years. This doesn't really prove anything in terms of dating as his name could have remained on the premises after his death.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 08/Nov/2017 11:29:37

    In May 1991, one of the Lawrence Photographic Project equivalents - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000355456

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    [email protected]

    • 08/Nov/2017 11:35:56

    Buena toma perece un bn en analogico

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    Foxglove

    • 08/Nov/2017 11:46:01

    not a barefoot child in sight- must be the higher altitudes !

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 08/Nov/2017 11:58:16

    1890 ! This is really fun ... there are several Google SphereViews inside the Keane building, now a rather smart pub and restaurant, Byrne & Woods. This sphereview has a copy of this photo framed on the wall, with "Roundwood 1890 Photographer W. Lawrence" printed underneath. Wow! www.google.com/maps/@53.0617609,-6.2243321,3a,17.7y,215.9...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 08/Nov/2017 12:17:05

    Screenshot from streetview if it will not work for you - https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/24391453848/

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    sam2cents

    • 08/Nov/2017 12:22:30

    The crossroads is still there but I would never have realised it was Roundwood. There is so little foliage that it's mind boggling. I wonder if that is why they had such heavy snows in the old days, as there was no shelter. Amazing image!

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    sam2cents

    • 08/Nov/2017 13:33:31

    By the way, that gable on the foreground left seems to be still part of Kavanagh's pub, although I could be wrong.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Nov/2017 13:45:47

    The DIA says the missing church porches date from 1903, no help: Name:O'CONNOR, GEORGE LUKE Building:CO. WICKLOW, ROUNDWOOD, CHURCH OF ST LAURENCE O'TOOLE (RC) Date:1903 Nature:Repairs after severe storm damage (causing cracking of walls and shifting of roof). Repairs include tie-rods across nave walls, rebuilding of N aisle wall, erection of 2 new porches. Cost: £900. Contractor: Kinlen Bros., Greystones. Refs:Wicklow Newsletter, 7 Mar,27 Jun 1903.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Nov/2017 13:47:39

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia The print dated 1890 might just be splitting the 1880-1900 range...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Nov/2017 14:15:30

    I think the 8 legged dog is a blurred calf.

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    guliolopez

    • 08/Nov/2017 20:15:32

    I was so distracted by how "swanky" the Byrne and Wood building (erstwhile Keane's building) has become since that I didn't spot the photo on the wall. Great find [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia]!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 09/Nov/2017 00:44:58

    Interesting indeed https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia! Have mentioned in the updated description/etc.

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    scientific ship

    • 09/Nov/2017 13:35:47

    This is incredible. Thomas Keane has been replaced by Miller Bros Stonemasons.

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    marymckie

    • 02/Dec/2019 19:01:53

    lovely to see where my grandfather was Baptised in 1898!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Dec/2019 21:11:29

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] We would love to hear more about him Mary.