St Patrick's Day Organizing Committee

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Where: Waterford, Ireland

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When: 01 March 1927

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All of the Marys were employed in a search for a relevant photograph to post on Saint Patrick's Day, this is one of the photos we discovered. We all presumed another Mary was going to post the photo on the day, and as you have already surmised nobody told the other Mary!! It is still a good photo and to get the ball rolling I will tell you that the large chain of office has been seen on this stream before.

Sharon.corbet tells us that these committee members (including Mayor Wyley [centre], and Alderman Keane [unidentified], Alderman Doyle [unidentified]) had a relatively stiff debate about the 1927 St Patrick's Day events. Sharon provides the following extract:
 At a meeting convened by the Mayor of Waterford [Wyley?] to make arrangements in connection with the annual St. Patrick's Day procession. Alderman Keane, who presided, described the supporters of a resolution to have it a purely religious procession as a pack of frauds, and he subsequently left the chair. Alderman Doyie, Fianna Fail, proposed the resolution. The reason he did so, he said, was that at the procession last year some people took advantage of it for political purposes, and it would avoid friction if it were purely religious.


Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: 17(?) March 1927

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 3422

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    whatsthatpicture

    • 10/May/2017 06:36:04

    First item on the agenda - what day shall we have it on this year?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/May/2017 06:40:47

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture Very funny :)

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 10/May/2017 07:34:49

    6/11 with moustaches 7/11 with floral buttonholes and armbands ...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 10/May/2017 07:35:29

    That's probably the Mayor at the time John J. Wyley who came up in previous discussions. He looks a bit more like 35 than the last candidate: https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/29905539612/in/photolist-rGnJe9-MyDH2W

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    O Mac

    • 10/May/2017 07:39:11

    Do you know how St Patrick managed to get so much done? He had a very large staff.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/May/2017 07:45:05

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] Sharon I remember the discussion, it certainly makes more sense that the younger bechained man above is Mr Wyley. I think he can also be seen here - Theatrical group : commissioned by Mr. Wyley and here (in costume) - Theatrical group : commissioned by Mr. Wyley, Beresford Street, Waterford

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/May/2017 07:48:35

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Moving on......

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/May/2017 08:16:45

    We have this photo mapped as Tramore, I think it is the same location as today's photo?? https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6465119121

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    Niall McAuley

    • 10/May/2017 08:33:12

    The only one wearing a Pioneer pin is the young lad in the back row.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 10/May/2017 08:58:30

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland What we knew at the time was... "As Joy Bagster told us that this photo was taken at a Concert Party in Tramore, I'm just placing this photo on Tramore on the Map in the hope that further information will allow us to pinpoint an exact location..." Perhaps it was just taken at Poole's Studio then?

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    sharon.corbet

    • 10/May/2017 17:43:17

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland My highly scientific survey earlier (AKA a quick look at a couple of Poole photos) would back up the Poole Studio theory - both flooring and background turn up several times.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 10/May/2017 17:56:46

    Apparently the 1927 St. Patrick's Day celebrations in Waterford were not without controversy: At a meeting convened by the Mayor of Waterford to make arrangements in connection with the annual St. Patrick's Day procession. Alderman Keane, who presided, described the supporters of a resolution to have it a purely religious procession as a pack of frauds, and he subsequently left the chair. Alderman Doyie, Fianna Fail, proposed the resolution. The reason he did so, he said, was that at the procession last year some people took advantage of it for political purposes, and it would avoid friction if it were purely religious. All members of the various societies could then march with their respective confraternities. Alderman Keane—We are all here as Irishmen. You don't want to honour St. Patrick because you are afraid of other people's politics. I say you are nothing but a pack of frauds if you go on with this. It is not the way to honour St. Patrick. Why don't you get up at once and say we are politicians, and we don't want you in this procession, because you are a Free Stater or a British Empire man. You raise the point it should be purely religious because you cannot have it purely political. You are so small minded you protest against anything and everything that iS not Republican in your eyes. The Chairman was highly agitated, and during the course of his declamation, banged the tabie several times. He rose to leave the room, and as hewent towards the door another Fianna Fail member said: "Go away with you " From the Irish Examiner of Saturday 5 March 1927.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/May/2017 18:48:20

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] Sharon, I am surprised the prime issue was politics, in the very same year the St Patrick's Day Pub Ban came into operation see - Intoxicating Liquor Act, 1927 1.—(1) In this Act (except in Part V thereof)—the expression “week day” means any day which is not a Sunday and is not Good Friday, Christmas Day, or Saint Patrick's Day;

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/May/2017 18:50:08

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet I agree with you on the Pool Studio Point - Mapping details for the other photo should perhaps be changed from Tramore to Waterford. In the meantime (among other updates) have mapped this one to Poole's studio on the Mall...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 10/May/2017 19:38:22

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland The Act dates from May 1927, so it would have been 1928 before it would have affected St. Patrick's Day. Whereas political grandstanding is always in effect.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/May/2017 20:10:02

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet I stand corrected!!

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    sam2cents

    • 10/May/2017 21:39:38

    Fantastic quality! The man on the front right seems to bear a resemblance to General Richard Mulcahy.

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 11/May/2017 01:29:17

    Well, May 10th, it's Constitution Day in Micronesia. Or Golden Spike Day, celebrating the Transcontinental Railroad in the USA...

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    Tonylyons52

    • 01/Jun/2017 14:00:07

    Just to confirm that the identification of Waterford Mayor JJ Wyley is correct, he was my grandfather. The Wyley family were very active in nationalist politics in Waterford in the early 20th century. One of JJ's brothers, Tommy, was a self -described dramatist and wrote a number of plays, one of which was entitled 'Orange and Green'. It was set during the Williamite wars and I suspect that the first theatrical group photo mentioned above catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000593331 may feature the cast of that play, judging by their costume. 'Orange and Green' was performed at New Ross on St Patrick's Night 1914.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/Jun/2017 20:13:22

    Excellent - thanks https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]! We're always delighted to get confirmation (and perhaps some extra context and colour) from those with connections to these images. Much appreciated!