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A wedding group taken by Mr. Poole for Mrs. O'Connor which shows his great skills and careful arrangement of the subjects. As near a symmetrical arrangement as he could manage with the placement of the personnel makes a very pleasing group and a fine photograph.

The prevailing wisdom is that this image captures the marriage of Thomas O'Connor and Evelyn Erlwin on 16 October 1912. While the group may not have been in Grannagh at the time, there seems to be a connection to the village (also known as Granny) which sits close to the county boundary between Waterford and Kilkenny. (ed. As the O'Connor/Erlwin wedding was at least partly celebrated in nearby Kilmacow, Niall McAuley suggests that this image may have been captured there).....


Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: c.17 October 1912

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 2408

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 25/Feb/2019 09:09:11

    17 October 1912 was a Thursday ... Is that Mrs O'Connor with all the furry bits and muff? Giving us a steely look.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Feb/2019 09:32:01

    The only wedding featuring an O'Connor on 17 Oct. 1912 that I could find was this one between James Bourke and Johanna O'Connor. But I'm not convinced that it is the right one. The groom looks older than 26 to me.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Feb/2019 09:34:28

    Mrs. O'Connor is from Granagh, Waterford, making it less likely that it is the above wedding, which was in Tipperary.

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 25/Feb/2019 09:38:40

    In lieu of the real deal, would you settle for Billy Idol? www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KJZeygsovw I got married in blue jeans and we are going on 18 years. Yeah, it was spur of the moment. I bought a tux, but happened to be overseas and, "What the hell, let's do it."

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Feb/2019 09:46:15

    This wedding between Thomas O'Connor and Evelyn Erlwin (?) on the 16th looks a bit more likely.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 25/Feb/2019 09:55:58

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Sharon I think Granagh may actually be in Kilkenny?

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Feb/2019 10:06:55

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Yes, it is just over the river. AKA Granny.

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Feb/2019 10:22:14

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Erlwein, judging by the census. She must still have been in America or somewhere in 1911; She's not in the census.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 25/Feb/2019 10:42:19

    Thomas O'Connor is a railway clerk on that marriage record. In the 1911 census, David Erlwein is also a clerk in a railway parcel office. The census records the Erlwein's house in Granny as a shop, 3 windows to the front.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 25/Feb/2019 10:53:59

    Thomas O'Connor in the 1911 census.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Feb/2019 11:03:09

    According to Mary Erlwein's death cert, she was the widow of a saloon-keeper.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 25/Feb/2019 11:03:48

    Poole's pictures in the archive of Granagh suggest whitewash and thatch rather than red brick and fanlights. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000590090 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000590091 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000590092

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Feb/2019 11:05:52

    Evelyn Erlwein gave her address as Grannyferry in her marriage cert, a lot of which seems to be gone now. 25" OSI.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Feb/2019 13:44:15

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Mary and her four kids, William (b. 1886), Adam (b. 1889), David (b. 1891) and Evelyn (b. 1893) were all in Pittsburgh in 1900. Mary and the three younger kids arrived in Queenstown in May 1903. I can't find Evelyn after that, whereas Adam seemed to go back to the States in 1910.

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    KenjiB_48

    • 25/Feb/2019 16:02:36

    The two lads in tweeds are a marvel of symmetry -

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    jamica1

    • 25/Feb/2019 17:43:41

    Great day for a white wedding

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Mar/2019 06:40:16

    As [https://www.flickr.com/photos/abandonedrailsireland] notes, this looks like a licensed premises. The wedding record linked by [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] above says they were married in Kilmacow. So we are looking for a red brick hotel/pub in Kilmacow with an arched fanlight, window to the right of the door bigger than window to the left. If it is noon, it faces SW. If it is later in the day, it may face West. Streetviewing near the church, I see this arched fanlight. Consulting the 25" OSI map this was the Post Office, with a Dispensary to the right. Four houses North is this fanlight - windows are right, too. Not red brick, but that could be under the render now. Faces West. If it is the spot, it should be recorded as a pub/hotel/grocery in the 1911 census.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Mar/2019 07:38:53

    Unfortunately Kilmacow Upper doesn't seem to be a place in the census. The Convent and Kilmacow Convent National School are recorder as Dangan, Ullid - but I don't see a Post Office worker or Dispensing Chemist in that DED. Wait a minute - Aha!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Mar/2019 09:09:05

    So here are the sub-post office and dispensary on the house and building return pdf. Danl E and Mary Gearon

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Mar/2019 09:14:57

    The 5 window house in 1901 was Joseph O'Sullivan Baker.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Mar/2019 09:24:50

    OK, in 1911 Joseph O'Sullivan is still a baker, still in a 5 window house near Gearon's sub post office, but recorded as Dangan Town. Seems unlikely his shop was a pub in 1912... so a bit of a goose chase.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Mar/2019 01:31:32

    Thanks https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley. While not 100% confirmed, I've added a short note to the description. Lest we lose track :)