Ridgways group when young - and old!

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Each morning I have a choice as to which photo to upload and these vary from the sublime to the tragic. Yesterdays shot reminding us of the misery that arose from evictions and other tragedies proved much more educational than we had expected. Today's shot is one that would warm the cockles of your heart. "Ridgways group when young" is the title but there are a couple of adults in there with a Granny looking like a key player in the group! I will enjoy finding out about the Ridgways, have a nice weekend!

Based on the description ("Ridgways group when young"), and the census return for the Ridgway family from 1901, the general consensus is that image predates the lower catalogue date range bound. While it could have been a later copy, the suggestion is that this image was probably originally taken c.1890. Perhaps "out the back" of the family home on Newtown Road in Waterford. If correct, according to Niall McAuley pictured here are Mary Atkinson (granny/mother-in-law), mother Kathleen, father Richard G. Ridgway, and children (oldest first): Henry, Helena, Mary, George, Joseph, Thomas, Leopold, Gerald and Richenda.....


Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: Catalogue range c.1901-1954. Perhaps before 1901 (copy?)

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 0152b

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    fraser donachie

    • 07/Sep/2018 07:44:24

    ... the reflections in the window are great!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 07/Sep/2018 07:46:19

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/-phraser- I was focused in on the group and missed that! It looks like a giant mask behind the window!!!!

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    Dr. Ilia

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:00:05

    masterful capture

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    domenico milella

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:00:17

    Congratulation for your beautiful Album.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:04:17

    30 Ridgways in the 1911 census, and this being a Poole, the most likely group are the Waterford ones, but they are all older. Perhaps a combo of the Cork and Waterford Ridgways?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:05:33

    Or perhaps the title indicates that this is a Poole copy of an older picture of the Waterford Ridgways when young?

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    dearbhaile2

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:05:40

    would the old lady be dressed in black because she is a widow ?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:06:27

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Could be, but in B&W she could be in any dark colour,,,

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:06:59

    This family from 1901 include an elderly mother-in-law - perhaps the photo was taken before 1901 (as the children's ages in the 1901 census are older than the children in the photo) www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Water...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:10:18

    Yes - see the Waterford Ridgways in 1901. Mother, Father, M-in-L, 9 children.

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:11:14

    This family seem to fit the 1901 census (if the photo was taken about 12 years before the census) - the 'running order' of ages from the census is 1 boy, then 2 girls, then 5 boys, then 1 girl, which could match the family group

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:15:22

    Youngest in shot is about 2 - youngest Richenda in 1901 is 13, so the original would be from about 1890. If we are correct: the old lady is Mary C. Atkinson, mother in law, mother is Kathleen father is Richard G. and the children (oldest first) are: Henry, Helena, Mary, George, Joseph, Thomas, Leopold, Gerald and Richenda.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:19:34

    In both censusseses they were living on Newtown Road. Several big houses there. "Butter merchant?"

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    derangedlemur

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:28:18

    The description in the building return form suggests that it's Rockville: www.google.ie/maps/@52.2499924,-7.0949274,3a,75y,274.84h,... It could also be Weston (which isn't visible) or Newtown Villas, though they don't match Rockville and Weston for quantity of Ivy.

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    Swordscookie

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:32:00

    We've seen Rockville before in the Galwey wedding?

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    sharon.corbet

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:36:07

    According to Joseph (who played an interesting minor part in the 1916 Rising) they lived at Riverview House.

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    derangedlemur

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:38:57

    Looking at adjacent houses, and counting windows, it seems that either the enumerator couldn't count, or the houses are not listed in order. We have 6 houses with 5 windows in front in a row here www.google.ie/maps/@52.2511557,-7.096126,3a,75y,266.35h,8..., but no group of 6 in the building form. Maybe they went from one side of the road to the other.

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    derangedlemur

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:40:53

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Do you think that's Riverdale? Riverview doesn't seem to be a thing round Newtown road. Or maybe Suir View, which became Newtown Park?

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    sharon.corbet

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:44:26

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] The parents' grave also has Riverview House.

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    derangedlemur

    • 07/Sep/2018 08:48:03

    Hmm. Riverview is up by Mountsion.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 07/Sep/2018 09:06:15

    Richard Grubb Ridgway in The Peerage - www.thepeerage.com/p26539.htm#i265383 . His mother was a Grubb (see four photos ago!) [completely confused]

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Sep/2018 09:15:00

    Interesting that Richard G. is for Grubb. I wonder if there is a connection to Hilda? Miss Grubbs wedding group Newtown School was a Quaker school at the time, and the Friends graveyard is here too.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 07/Sep/2018 09:18:09

    The Plot thickens!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Sep/2018 09:19:35

    Maybe - per thepeerage: Richard Grubb Ridgway was born on 18 February 1846. He was the son of Henry Ridgway and Sarah Haughton Grubb. He died on 6 February 1917 at age 70. He lived at Riverview House, Waterford, County Waterford, Ireland.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Sep/2018 09:24:11

    I don't see a family connection, and thepeerage follows the Grubbs back into the 1600s.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 07/Sep/2018 10:55:09

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] If I’ve counted correctly, Hilda Grubb and Richard Grubb Ridgway shared a great-great-great grandfather. John Grubb (1682-1731). Though given all the intermarriages, they may be more closely related though a maternal line.

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    Fruit of the Loom - Da Kayo Kid

    • 07/Sep/2018 11:01:42

    Bless their Irish Hearts.. Nine siblings.....A man with great responsibilities...... A woman with many mouths to feed,....and a Grannie, dizzy over all the the kids to watch, stories to be told, and all the Rosaries to be said on the family’s behalf.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 07/Sep/2018 12:33:00

    I am counting ten children in this one. And no scary mother-in-law! And a DOG - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000590510

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    hliguy

    • 07/Sep/2018 13:14:43

    Your morning choices are great. Keep up the good work. My morning choices usually are between dark, medium, or light roast.

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    The Texas Collection, Baylor University

    • 07/Sep/2018 13:30:59

    This is beautiful! Was this scanned from a glass plate negative, cellulose, or photo print? Thanks so much for posting!

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    Swordscookie

    • 07/Sep/2018 14:21:59

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ a glass plate negative and thank you for dropping by.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/Sep/2018 19:30:55

    Thanks all! And apologies for "holding fire" on a summary of this one for so long. It just seemed prudent for some of the strands to come together. I've since updated the map, tags, description, etc!

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    moccasinlanding

    • 14/Sep/2018 02:37:25

    My word, I hope the baby on her lap is a girl, for this family has only one girl to my reckoning, amidst a rout of sons. Indeed a great story told in the commentaries. Always a pleasure to Experience first rate detective work.