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When: 01 January 1920

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Bain News Service,, publisher.


[between ca. 1920 and ca. 1925]

1 negative : glass ; 5 x 7 in. or smaller.

Title from unverified data provided by the Bain News Service on the negatives or caption cards.
Forms part of: George Grantham Bain Collection (Library of Congress).

Format: Glass negatives.

Rights Info: No known restrictions on publication. For more information, see George Grantham Bain Collection - Rights and Restrictions Information

Repository: Library of Congress, Prints and Photographs Division, Washington, D.C. 20540 USA,

Part Of: Bain News Service photograph collection (DLC) 2005682517

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Call Number: LC-B2- 5488-11


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    • 01/Mar/2019 20:56:24

    Aeromarine Airways' Model 85 flying boat (a converted Curtiss HS-2L), named "Waldorf", in the foreground, as the French Line ship SS Paris (1916) approaches in the distance. See:

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    Kees Kort Collection

    • 03/Mar/2019 21:13:16[email protected] Hello Jonathan. I think you have identified the Aeromarine "Waldorf" cleanly but I was not able to link the name 'Waldorf" of this flying boat to the Model 85. There seems to be only an incomplete list of names of the ca. 15 Model 85 flying boats, about 7 names are identified but not the "Waldorf".

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    • 06/Mar/2019 16:25:02

    Thank you for the comment, Kees. Looking into this deeper, I came across some information that should secure Waldorf's identity as an Aeromarine Model 85 flying boat. At The Aeromarine Website, Waldorf is identified as an "Aeromarine Model 85/80" among a list of aircraft operated by the airline. Both types of aircraft were modified surplus HS-2L flying boats, but the Model 80 could be distinguished from Model 85 by the Model 80's addition of an enclosed passenger cabin (which Waldorf lacks). Further, just a bit of circumstantial evidence, all of the Aeromarine Airways' aircraft named after famous hotels and captured in photos - Ambassador, McAlpin, Vanderbilt, and Biltmore - were Model 85s, like Waldorf. However, the best evidence as to Waldorf's type is a two-page Aeromarine advertisement in Aviation and Aircraft Journal, February 7, 1921, Vol. X, No. 6, on pages 173-174. The ad illustrates the company's line of surplus HS-2L (and derived) aircraft, including the Model 85 as "Aeromarine-Navy HS-2-L, Six Seat. Open Cockpit Flying Boat, Model No. 85," and "Aeromarine-Navy HS-2-L, Enclosed Cabin De Luxe Flying Limousine, Model No. 80." As an aside, this ad is in the middle of a pretty interesting article about the company, spanning pages 171-176. As best I can tell, from The Aeromarine Website, contemporary direct sources - like the company's advertisements, the configuration of the aircraft, etc., the best available evidence points to Waldorf being a Model 85 flying boat.

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    Melissa (LOC P&P)

    • 14/Mar/2019 15:28:18

    Thanks for your research,[email protected] and . We will add some of this information to the catalog record for the image.