Drawing (allegedly), unidentified building (definitely).

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When: 01 January 1900

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Back on terra firma today, but we don't know where this building, described in our catalogue as "Drawing, unidentified building" was (or maybe still is). In Ireland or 'out foreign'?

While everyone agrees that this is definitely not in Ireland, and very likely somewhere on the continent (France, Germany, or bordering countries), the precise location seems to evade us. Which is surprising in itself :) Have we finally stumped the unstumpable?


Collection: Mason Photographic Collection

Date: Catalogue range c.1890-1910.

NLI Ref: M51/12

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    John Spooner

    • 11/Jun/2019 07:57:48

    The "BYHHR" sign suggests it might be somewhere in France.

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    John Spooner

    • 11/Jun/2019 08:08:08

    Are those sentry boxes either side of the main entrance? I'd guess it's a caserne somewhere.

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Jun/2019 08:08:08

    Previous Mason shots with this vibe have been in Potsdam.

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    abandoned railways

    • 11/Jun/2019 08:08:51

    Maybe BYRAN

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    Niall McAuley

    • 11/Jun/2019 08:13:37

    Looks like a job for Sharon :D

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    Niall McAuley

    • 11/Jun/2019 08:17:40

    The big D over the arch suggests an institution, looks more like a University than a hospital.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 11/Jun/2019 08:18:33

    Sentry boxes, bars on the ground floor windows suggest something more secure than a University...

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Jun/2019 08:24:13

    The annex on the right seems to serve some commercial purpose. It's plastered with posters.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 11/Jun/2019 08:29:56

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] Are you thinkiong of BYRRH, a French drink?

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 11/Jun/2019 08:50:11

    Looks like an Army Hospital. Thus, Sentry Boxes. Looks similar to an Army Hospital, in Germany.

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    John Spooner

    • 11/Jun/2019 09:11:39

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Oops, yes, that's the one.

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Jun/2019 15:58:58

    It can't be a barracks. The finish is too good and the windows are too big. It's some other sort of institution that needs guards.

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Jun/2019 16:01:15

    It does look very south German or Austro-Hungarian. Or Londony, which doesn't narrow it down much.

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Jun/2019 18:05:09

    It'd hardly be a town hall with no clock on it.

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    silverio10

    • 11/Jun/2019 19:27:00

    Buenas fotos antiguas .

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 11/Jun/2019 21:41:58

    France? Germany? Austria? Belgium? Switzerland? ... I vote for Luxembourg ... douze points !

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 11/Jun/2019 21:59:38

    NLI Ref: M51/12 Was the Mason foreign collection . . . So, look at other photos in the collection. Where were they taken, if you can use a process of elimination.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Jun/2019 06:06:33

    One problem is that there is a good chance this building was bombed flat 75 years ago.

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    derangedlemur

    • 12/Jun/2019 06:23:13

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Yep. If it's in Dresden, I don't much rate your chances of finding it now.

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    Gregory PC

    • 12/Jun/2019 08:48:08

    Could it be an embassy or consulate building? It might explain the sentry posts.

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    derangedlemur

    • 12/Jun/2019 16:52:19

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/abandonedrailsireland Actually, I think you're right about it being a church. The pictures on the outside look like religious icons. I wonder what the relevance of BYRAH/BYRAN is?

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    sharon.corbet

    • 13/Jun/2019 09:55:40

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I've been coming up blank, though it does look annoyingly familiar. (Most likely just overexposure to south German architecture on my part though.) https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/abandonedrailsireland After looking at the Megazoom too long, I think I can see "Café *Something possibly beginning with M or W*" on a sign outside the door on the right.

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jun/2019 12:32:42

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Yeah, I just ran it through the equalizer, and it could be, but the picture looks like a Jesus with a massive halo. I also think it looks familiar, except I expect it to be on fire with soldiers charging about the place. Again, over exposure to particular subjects, I suspect.

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jun/2019 12:54:43

    Just equalised the whole "chapel". I'm back to my earlier theory that those are posters, not icons.

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jun/2019 13:20:06

    That's quite a distinctive lamppost, if anyone knows anything about lampposts.

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jun/2019 13:27:31

    Also interesting - what I took to be snow is actually mud and water. The place is completely sodden. Despite this sogginess, it's still definitely foreign. The house at the end past the chapel is not UK or Ireland.

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jun/2019 17:27:23

    I think I've found our lamp in a history of the street lighting of Karlsruhe. The lamp in the book is in Paris. www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/48121569441/

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    derangedlemur

    • 24/Jun/2019 18:21:01

    Apparently there was a big inundation in Paris in 1910. maybe that's why everything's soggy.

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    derangedlemur

    • 24/Jun/2019 18:56:17

    I've also found some better images of French sentry boxes. They have a broad vertical white stripe over the door and no chevrons on the side, which is corroboration.

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    derangedlemur

    • 06/Jul/2019 08:40:14

    The two things it is most like are the old prefecture in Versailles, and the Musee des Beaux Arts in Arras, but the internet doesn't seem to know an architect for either.