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When: 03 May 1925

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For the Grandparents, or even Great Grandparents that posed with their enormous clan, this must have been a very proud moment? What a wonderful collection of women, men, and children, all scrubbed up and looking very happy.

I am really looking forward to meeting the Dowleys, and discovering all about them!

Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Collection, Waterford

Date: Sunday, 3 May 1925

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 3262

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    Swordscookie

    • 18/Sep/2020 07:53:41

    If ever there was a long tailed family this must be it! And all looking so healthy and full of life!

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    Foxglove

    • 18/Sep/2020 07:56:38

    if it is one family ..... they have a Latin common ... still smiling with that gem

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:06:02

    3 May 1925 was a Sunday . . . At 13:51 (see note and megazoom)

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    Wendy:

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:15:54

    what a clan!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:23:00

    Some of the same folks a few years later in POOLEWP 3641 commissioned by Mr. Edward Dowley, Tinvane, Carrick-on-Suir. Here is Mr. Edward in the 1911 census with 6 sons. The original form says 12 children, of whom 12 are living.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:25:19

    It's taken outside Tinvane House in Carrick-on-Suir, and is of Edward and Mary Ursula's 45th Wedding Anniversary.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:26:46

    Mr. Edward is a Magistrate and Corn Merchant. Tinvane Mill is near Tinvane House.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:26:54

    There's also a list of everyone there: Louis, Tom Bacon, Milo, Edward, Ursula, Mary & Deirdre, Francis & Ursula, Jack Ella, Kathy & Kathleen, Mary Quirk & Nula, Kathleen, Willie & Anna, Arthur Ian, Edric, Cecil, Florence, Josie & Ann, Michael Quirk, Joe Mimi, Joan, Betty, Brendan, Desmond, Edward, Marjorie, Myles, Maylon, Dermot

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    Bernard Healy

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:27:15

    This looks like a promising resource: www.dowleyhistory.com

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:30:36

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Your later photo is from the 50th wedding anniversary.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:31:05

    House is called Cedarfield at the NIAH. The steps remain, but the glass porch is gone.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:35:24

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] It's for sale as Tinvane House.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:55:07

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Nice, must buy a Euromillions ticket!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 18/Sep/2020 09:04:11

    Flickr is sometimes amazing! In 2013 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/diydelray/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/diydelray/8565762052/

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    Bernard Healy

    • 18/Sep/2020 09:26:18

    I suppose it’s just possible that one of the young children in the pic might still be alive. If I’m reading the website properly, Mary Bacon (holding a child & standing next to Ursula in the back row) lived to the age of 99 & died in 1993. If any of the next generation had comparable longevity, they could still be living.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 09:51:03

    From that history page: Their first home was the Glascott House on the western side of the Carrick-on-Suir, near the hospital. If we assume that he moved to the Mill House some time in 1882 after his father John passed away, it would appear that John A. (1880) and Myles (1881) would have been born in the Glascott House. If we also assume that he moved to Tinvane House in 1892 although it could have been later if alterations had to undertaken, then Thomas, Francis, Joe, Louis and Mary were all born in the Mill House while William and all the subsequent children were born in Tinvane House. Let's take a look: John and (Edward) Myles have addresses at Greenside, while Thomas J was born at Tinvane (but not necessarily Tinvane House). Matches with the house shown (Streetview)

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 09:55:46

    There's more info here about the family.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 10:11:53

    The later children all just list Tinvane, no help.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 10:23:08

    I note that Edward and (Mary) Ursula were married by their uncle his brother, Thomas Dowley. Edward is recorded as both Dooley and Dowley on the cert.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 12:12:02

    Here's a flip photo-book of Thomas F. Bacon with a description giving more information.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 18/Sep/2020 13:05:20

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Unless I’m misreading things, I think Thomas was Edward’s brother.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 13:44:26

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] Mary Josephine Bacon was normally called Josie, so I think she's actually the woman sitting on the steps with her daughter Ann(e). Anne only died in 2018 at the age of 95. Mary & Deirdre seems to be Mary Morrissey Dowley (Francis' wife) and their daughter Deirdre.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 18/Sep/2020 21:42:19

    I have had a sleepless night worrying about the time on that fellow's wristwatch. Is it 13:51 (see note) or 10:10? This facade of the house faces south-east, and would get strong light in the morning in May. Around 2pm the faces would be shaded on one side. Was the photo before or after an excellent lunch?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 19/Sep/2020 05:23:37

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Looks like 10:10 am to me.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 19/Sep/2020 05:25:04

    The windowpane to our left has been heavily photo-scraped. Did one of the servants photobomb the group?

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Sep/2020 09:17:06

    Drone view youtu.be/7xTNMqFbCmc

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    Flickr

    • 20/Sep/2020 04:16:13

    Congrats on Explore! ⭐ September 19, 2020

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    incognito7nyc

    • 20/Sep/2020 09:53:42

    ✨🌟★❤✯♥✨ Very beautiful ✨♥✯❤★🌟✨

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    marinela 2008

    • 20/Sep/2020 16:53:58

    Congrats on Explore !

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 20/Sep/2020 20:32:54

    It would be terrific if every family had its own historian like Leslie J. Dowley. He was born in 1941, 16 years after this photo, and died last year, 2019. "Leslie J. Dowley was the curator, architect, evidence researcher and storyteller within these memoirs." - www.dowleyhistory.com/ I think Mr Leslie would have been fascinated to know the time on that fellow's wristwatch 95 years later! And he might have known who had been photoshopped in the window. I think I can see 'hands' in this one - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000593853

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    iolite1

    • 21/Sep/2020 07:40:49

    Beautiful image. Congratulations on Explore.