Mrs. Murphy's back garden

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Well last week we had the front of a shop on Alexander Street in Waterford and in the spirit of variety and change today we have the view from the rear window. View from back of house. Commissioned by Mrs Murphy, St. Andrews Terrace, Waterford is the title on todays image and shows a well tended back garden with a fine view beyond for the window!

Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Collection, Waterford

Date: Monday, 22 May 1911

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 2287

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Feb/2021 09:12:54

    22 May 1911 was a Monday ...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Feb/2021 09:15:01

    It looks like there may be ferries at the bottom of Mrs Murphy's garden!

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    cargeofg

    • 01/Feb/2021 09:15:06

    catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000592701 Front of house view.

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    O Mac

    • 01/Feb/2021 09:17:42

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ They only come out at night.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 01/Feb/2021 09:19:00

    Streetview showing front of St. Andrew's Terrace.

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    cargeofg

    • 01/Feb/2021 09:36:55

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Original railings still intact. So often removed for off street parking.

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Feb/2021 09:59:30

    One of these: maps.archaeology.ie/historicenvironment/?REG_NO=22830237

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Feb/2021 10:00:59

    Not fairies, but I can see the river Suir

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Feb/2021 10:06:32

    No P. Murphy on Newtown Road in 1901 or 1911. No Mrs. Murphy in 1911, either.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Feb/2021 10:09:17

    Looking at the 25", the greenhouse makes me think this is the 2nd house from left in the terrace.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Feb/2021 10:12:54

    the terrace is c. 1890 per the NIAH

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Feb/2021 10:30:57

    Okay - in 1911, per page 149 of this document, Mrs Johanna Murphy of 2 St Andrew's Terrace, Waterford owned shares in The Bank of British North America. archive.org/details/1912v46i2p6_0817/page/n153/mode/2up?q...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Feb/2021 10:56:42

    There is a Johanna Murphy married to Patrick in Tramore in 1901 and 1911, she's a dressmaker and he's a tailor.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Feb/2021 11:28:30

    Okay - throwing out this idea even though I am far from satisfied with the identification. Given that the lady in question owned shares in a Canadian Bank in 1911, we're looking at a certain level of prosperity. In 1921 on the front page of this newspaper we have details of the charitable bequests of a Waterford widow, Mrs Johanna Murphy (of The Mall) who leaves significant (but not huge) sums of money to various charities in her will. snap.waterfordcoco.ie/collections/enewspapers/WNS/1921/WN... This leads me to the following gravestone in Ballygunnar cemetery: www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/waterford/photos/tombston... In loving memory | of | PHILIP MURPHY Waterford | Who died November 3rd 1903 (SHOULD BE 1907) | Aged 72 years | And of his children | MARY FEELY died April 18th 1904 | Aged 26 years | RICHARD died February 28th 1906 | Aged 19 years | PHILIP J. died June 25th 1908 | Aged 27 years | Also KATTIE Sister M. URSULA | Presentation Convent | Carrick on Suir | Died December 15th 1907 | Aged 30 years | And his beloved wife | JOHANNA MURPHY | Died February 24th 1921 | Aged 64 years. | R.I.P. So this would be her in 1901: www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Water... And where is she in 1911? I think this might be her, living on Dunmore Road, which connects to Newtown Road. www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Water... Now, the problem is that I have nothing linking her to Newtown Road or St Andrew's Terrace. On the other hand, I think it possible that she's the right social class to have a nice terraced house to live in as a widow. Plus, she would be known as Mrs P Murphy (from her late husband Philip) or Johanna Murphy as per the entry on the 1911 share register which DOES list No 2 St Andrew's Terrace.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Feb/2021 11:32:17

    OKAY - BINGO! I'VE LINKED OUR WIDOW TO 2 ST ANDREW'S TERRACE! Have a look at the the entry for the will of Philip Murphy of Waterford: www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014915... His address was 2 St Andrew's Terrace. Could it be that the photographs were prepared because she was selling or renting the house in 1911?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Feb/2021 11:46:06

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Well done! Record of Philip's death has that address. Retired grocer and sugar merchant. Son in law Michael J Murphy of Graigue present

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Feb/2021 11:57:24

    Michael married Johanna's daughter Gertrude in 1905 in the procathedral.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Feb/2021 12:01:22

    Johanna Barron married Philip Murphy in June 1875.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 01/Feb/2021 12:09:11

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy *Standing Ovation* :)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Feb/2021 12:11:12

    when Mollie and Philip were born in 77 and 78, their address was Barronstrand St, in 82 and 86, Gertrude and Richard are at Michael St.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Feb/2021 12:18:38

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ I’ve had a look at the various certs - I can’t figure out if she was a Banon, Bannon or Barron.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Feb/2021 12:19:41

    Marriage of another daughter in Dublin. I can’t make out the addresses of Bride or Groom: civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marri...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Feb/2021 12:35:59

    That would be Mary/Mollie, his address reads Cork, and hers "traveller", I think.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Feb/2021 12:39:57

    The Feelys stayed in Waterford awhile, I see the birth of Mary Feely in 1903 in 2 Lombard St.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Feb/2021 12:42:08

    In 1908, Patrick Joseph in the Mall, Thurles. Still in Thurles, 1911: census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Thurles_U...

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Feb/2021 12:48:12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you!

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Feb/2021 12:51:33

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Sorry Niall... Could you give a little more info on Patrick Joseph, please. I'm not seeing how he fits in. Is he a grandson of Johanna?

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Feb/2021 13:01:16

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] I think that must be a different Mary Feely, Our Mary Feely died in 1904 per the gravestone and this death cert: civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/death...

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Feb/2021 13:03:26

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] You'll hardly believe this - Michael J Feely (Widower) seems to have married another Mary Murphy from Waterford in 1906. civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marri...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Feb/2021 13:15:31

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Mad! Patrick Joseph would not be a grandson, then.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Feb/2021 13:44:41

    Okay - a couple of observations... 1. Based on the gravestone listed above & the information to hand, it looks as though Mrs Johanna Murphy had an exceptionally tough 1st decade of the 20th century. She lost her husband and most of her children between 1904 & 1908. The only child of hers that we know of who seems still to have been alive in 1911 is her daughter Gertrude, married to Michael J Murphy. Here's a link to the census: www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Tinnahin... I'll note that their wedding certificate shows them getting married in the Pro-Cathedral in Dublin by Bishop Michael Foley of Kildare & Leighlin. The most likely explaination is some kind of family connection or friendship connecting the groom & the Bishop. I've tried to find a record of Gertrude's death, but haven't landed on it. 2. Given that son-in-law Michael Joseph Murphy is present at death for Johanna, one wonders if daughter Gertrude is still alive at that stage. If anyone has access to Waterford newspapers, it'd be interesting to see an account of her funeral. She died 24 February 1921 to see what family is still left alive. Unfortunately I can't track her down in the Will Calendars. I don't think 1921 has been digitised yet. 3. It'd be interesting to see if there's any record of 2 St Andrew's Terrace being rented or sold in 1911. Remember, this was the family address when the husband died in 1903. By the 1911 census she seems to have moved down the road to a house on Dunmore Road.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Feb/2021 14:15:44

    Ah! I figured out how to access old editions of the Waterford News - have a look at the format of this URL: snap.waterfordcoco.ie/collections/enewspapers/WNS/1921/WN... Just change the date (YYYY-MM-DD) to whatever Friday you want, change the directory to the year (YYYY) & you can read the paper. The account of her funeral is on page 5. The list of clergy is interesting - the Bishop of Waterford was there, and there's a nice collection of priests from various parts of Waterford and beyond. (If I had to speculate, I'd presume this resulted from a combination between her involvement in church/charitable activities as a well-to-do widow & the fact that she lost so many members of her family at a young age.) The chief mourners don't include any of her children so presumably Gertude has died by this time or wasn't able to travel to the funeral. Even if she couldn't travel, you'd imagine that she'd be mentioned. So who were the mourners? Mr Wm Barron Williamstown (Brother) Mr J Murphy Graiguenamanagh (Son-in-Law) Mr J Foley (???) Mr J Feely (Son in Law) Richard Dower Johnstreet (Nephew) Jos. Flynn, Grange and Walter Dower, Johnstreet (Brothers in Law) That J Foley is an interesting inclusion, given that Gertrude's wedding was perfomed by Bishop Foley of Kildare & Leighlin, but there's no indication of the exact relationship.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 01/Feb/2021 15:07:40

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] Or just go here and drill down to the date you want? (I meant to look earlier but got distracted.)

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Feb/2021 15:13:01

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ 😬 How did I not know about this?

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    sharon.corbet

    • 01/Feb/2021 17:57:19

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] I've been doing a bit of digging - first the Bishop of Kildare was Patrick rather than Michael Foley (he has his own wiki page.) Second, at Philip Murphy (Sr.)'s funeral in 1907, there are three Foleys present - (1) Rev. Father Foley, De La Salle College, (2) Very Rev. Dr. Foley, President of St. Patrick's College, Carlow (who in 1907 would have been John Foley, the Bishop of Kildare's brother) and (3) Rev. Father Foley, St. Patricks. The chief mourners are Mr Michael Murphy, Graiguenamanagh (son-in-law) Mr. J. Murphy, Waterford (son-in-law) Rev. Father Murphy, Graiguenamanagh (?) Mr. Walter Dower (?)

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    sharon.corbet

    • 01/Feb/2021 20:25:17

    That gravestone seems to be a bit badly worn or something as a few of the dates don't seem to be right. Looking at the death records we have: Mary Feely 18th April 1904 (Mary Barron (mother) 26th February 1906) Richard Murphy 28th February 1906 Philip Murphy Jr. 26th June 1906 Philip Murphy Sr. 3rd November 1907 Katherine (Sr. Ursula) Murphy 15th December 1907 There did seem to be a couple of references to Foleys as cousins of the Murphy kids, but that was it. Also, after looking at a couple of different funeral descriptions, does anyone know when female mourners started to be actually acknowledged? Because it's possible that Gertrude was still alive in 1921, just left out of the newspaper because she was a woman. It would appear that Gertrude Murphy was still alive in 1937, where she and her son are facing a court case. She's widowed by that point - her husband died in 1932. He also seems to be the Foley connection - one of his sisters is a Mrs. Foley according to the description of his funeral and I think she might be married to the Bishop's brother.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Feb/2021 20:52:04

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Thanks for tidying up after me! ;) Re: Gertrude, customs seem to have varied over time and in different parts of Ireland, but in some places it was not the custom for women to attend funerals. However, I was surprised that she wasn't even mentioned in the newspaper.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/Feb/2021 21:17:25

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Masterful.