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Where: Munster, Clare, Ireland

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Sheep and cattle grazing in the foreground, a beautiful beach in the middle ground, with a background consisting of a seaside town, but where are we? The Stereo Pairs are generally crystal clear, but unusually this one is a bit blurry in the area near the camera.

Photographers: Frederick Holland Mares, James Simonton

Contributor: John Fortune Lawrence

Collection: Stereo Pairs Photograph Collection

Date: between ca. 1860-1883

NLI Ref: STP_1848

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 03/Feb/2021 08:54:27

    K . . . . . ?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Feb/2021 09:04:25

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia ???

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 03/Feb/2021 09:11:40

    From the remarkable lack of trees, I thought it might be Kilkee, Co. Clare. It is! See - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000564967 Streetview - goo.gl/maps/rXACb5mKek8wAVNG8

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Feb/2021 09:17:18

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Very good, what about the date?

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    cargeofg

    • 03/Feb/2021 09:36:31

    No help with year. But for time of year late spring. Some of the sheep look to have older lambs with them and only one(clear) bathing machine on the beach. Also a bit fuzzy and could have been moving a horse and cart. Collecting seaweed ? There seems to be a few heaps of it on the beach

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Feb/2021 09:47:04

    I see several houses which survive, but the NIAH is mostly blank.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 03/Feb/2021 09:53:23

    Eight months ago we had the reverse view, after 1870 - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/49943804098/] Which makes me want to revise the streetview to the patch of grass in front of Moore's Hotel - goo.gl/maps/DtD2AZPwbsnYhGav7

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    Bernard Healy

    • 03/Feb/2021 10:52:36

    It's of no help for dating, but the RC Chapel looked strange in the picture, and as you can see from this pic, it had unusual towers next to the entrance. www.killaloediocese.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/66_Kilk... As regards the history of it: www.kilkeeparish.com/church/church-of-the-immaculate-conc... It dates from 1831 & based on what I read, the appeance didn't change until the 1960s. I wonder if that big building to the left of the Chapel might help in dating. I was thinking for a while that it might be a convent, but it's in the wrong place & doesn't seem to match what pictures I can find of the Mercy Convent, Kilkee. Anyway, I don't have time to follow up on this myself today.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 03/Feb/2021 12:00:40

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy You're gas! You always say that, but then you come back with reams of brilliant research... :)

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    cargeofg

    • 03/Feb/2021 12:52:57

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy Looking at OSI 25" building to left of RC Chapel is marked as School. Other building on skyline I world say is the Parochial house.

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    cargeofg

    • 03/Feb/2021 12:58:35

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Workhouse? But looking at a UK site for Irish workhouses it looks like the one in Kilrush served Kilkee.

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    suckindeesel

    • 03/Feb/2021 13:00:14

    Anybody got a date for the "strand line wall" mentioned previously other than mid eighties

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    Bernard Healy

    • 03/Feb/2021 13:25:43

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ But today I mean it! 😉

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    Bernard Healy

    • 03/Feb/2021 15:58:34

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I thought at first that it wasn't the school, but looking at the map again, you might be right.

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    suckindeesel

    • 03/Feb/2021 18:17:33

    "Schafe können sicher weiden Wo ein guter Hirte wacht. Wo Regenten wohl regieren Kann man Ruh' und Friede spüren Und was Länder glücklich macht" J.S. Bach

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 03/Feb/2021 20:21:59

    Via Trove "THE SEA SERPENT AGAIN." (1871) - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/170155242 Sheep may not safely graze ...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 03/Feb/2021 20:28:58

    Mr A.M. Sullivan MP nearly drowned in 1875 - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/115474314 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Martin_Sullivan

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    suckindeesel

    • 03/Feb/2021 20:47:26

    A little local history wildatlanticway.omeka.net/items/show/12 At one stage in the 1800s the beach was divided into three parts, the middle part for men and the two outer ones for women. This arose when local magistrates received complaints that men were bathing naked. Women were more modest, they entered the water by means of bathing boxes or machines which were towed out into the sea so that a lady could dip in the sea away from prying eyes. The first bathing box erected in the West Clare resort in the 1830s was known as the Lady Chatterton. These bathing boxes were used for changing up to the 1950's. The sea wall and embankment around the bay was begun on the west side as part of famine relief work in 1846 and completed in the 1860s. Kilkee has had a number of famous visitors over the years; Sir Alfred Tennyson visited on a number of occasions in the 1940s and Charlotte Bronte spent most of her honeymoon in Kilkee in July 1854. She wrote of her trip "Here at our Inn - splendidly designated 'the West End Hotel' - there is a good deal to carp at, were in a carping humour - but we laugh instead of grumbling - for out of doors there is much indeed to compensate for any indoor shortcomings, so magnificent an ocean - so bold and grand a coast - I never yet saw." In 1896, the Crown Princess of Austria visited the town. In 1961, Che Guevara and his group visited and stayed in Kilkee as they were unable to fly from Shannon airport due to fog. In a local bar a young Irish artist Jim Fitzpatrick met with Che. Jim later went on to produce one of the worlds most famous and iconic posters of Che Guevara called VIVA CHE in 1968.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 03/Feb/2021 21:20:34

    Also from 1875 - "Much disappointment prevails in Clare, and especially among the inhabitants of the central and western districts and towns, in connection with the non-completion of the Kilrush and Kilkee railway. Kilkee is among the best watering places in Ireland, and the resort of thousands for half a year. A numerously-signed petition is to be presented to Parliament for the purpose of an enforcement of the work. For this season in the absence of the rails, it is proposed to have tramways laid from Cappa Quay to Kilkee." From - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/115476673?searchTerm=k... The railway happened in 1892. Great description including the Saturday society promenade and courting couples in carriages hoax (1894) - kilkee.clareheritage.org/topics/kilkee-and-the-west-clare...

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    suckindeesel

    • 04/Feb/2021 00:06:59

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Part of the (in)famous West Clare Railway, Ireland's last narrow gauge passenger railway. Kilkee closed in 1960, followed by the whole line including Kilrush and Cappa Pier a year later. However, the steamer service to Limerick only lasted till 1916. Reputed to have brought 250.000 visitors to Kilkee every year at its prime. The timekeeping was notoriously bad and was the topic of Percy French's song "Are Ye Right There Michael, are ye right?" written after his late arrival, by several hours, for a performance in Kilkee. He successfully sued the railway in court, They later appealed and he was late to court, again blaming the railway for the delay, appeal dismissed.

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    cargeofg

    • 04/Feb/2021 11:29:12

    I am sure I have posted this link before when we were in Kilkee. www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/history/wreck_of_edmond... But a bit more history wont go amiss. [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia]