The Rocky Waters ford

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Having scaled the intellectual heights of Rūmī and George Herbert, Morning Mary felt the need to come back down to earth, and the wonderful Stereo Pairs Photograph Collection is perfect to lift the mood! A rocky ford in a sylvan setting with mountains for a backdrop, has the makings of a wonderful landscape by a skilled artist. As ever, there is no stated location for the STPs, but I am sure those distinctive mountains will be a big help in the identification?

Photographers: Frederick Holland Mares, James Simonton

Contributor: John Fortune Lawrence

Collection: Stereo Pairs Photograph Collection

Date: between ca. 1860-1883

NLI Ref: STP_0677

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 25/Mar/2021 10:34:18

    200+ views and no ideas yet ...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 25/Mar/2021 10:37:04

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Indeed! And those include both your good self and John Spooner no less:-)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 25/Mar/2021 10:42:26

    I am thinking not a million miles from Killarney.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 25/Mar/2021 11:50:05

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ The shape of the mountain isn’t really ringing a bell for me. I suppose it MIGHT be Torc mountain. If it is near Killarney, I’d suggest the most likely location is on the Old Kenmare Road which is now part of the National Park.

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    John Spooner

    • 25/Mar/2021 12:20:08

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I have nothing to contribute regarding the location so I'll just say it's a buena foto antigua. Or perhaps dos buenas fotos antiguas.

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 14:44:19

    Wow. Half the day gone and still not found? I must take an interest.

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 14:46:51

    You can see the edge of a very big pointy mountain in the background. There aren't too many of those in the country. A couple in Wicklow, one in the Mournes, maybe Cork or Donegal. The vegetation looks like Wicklow to me.

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 14:48:01

    I think there's actually a lot of detail in the hills. I'll do a histogram equalisation. Edit: It's just one hill with a pointy mountain behind. The slight colour variations are folds and ridges, but nothing very distinct.

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 15:03:17

    We seem to be looking south, and it shelves quite steeply to the left, as if the sea or a major river is there somewhere.

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 25/Mar/2021 15:10:56

    It could be looking west towards Croagh Patrick (largely hidden behind the lower hills in the middle distance) - taken from east somewhere around Brackloon National School. This streetview gives you an idea of what I'm thinking of - if the streetview camera was 500m+ to the right then Croagh Patrick might be almost hidden by the bumpy hills, but I can't find a ford near Brackloon School that fits... www.google.ie/maps/@53.7514246,-9.592522,3a,75y,303.25h,8...

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 15:58:34

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] yes, it looks pointy enough. the sun is quite high and we're looking more or less straight at it. I'm surprised it's looking west.

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 16:03:14

    Of course the OSI's policy of not mapping interesting mountains at 25" scale isn't helping.

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 16:10:38

    Might be a better fit from the other side: goo.gl/maps/GpN3XmTh6DzMZwqa8 There's a ford somewhere round here on the 6"

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 16:14:17

    Or there's always my favourite theory when the image won't fit - it's been flipped: goo.gl/maps/2WEBMkcn3k8ePc5d9

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 16:17:06

    Here's the nearest river, but if it's this, it's a bit further east: goo.gl/maps/a4GYGtyfep4VDTko8

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 16:21:11

    There's stepping stones at Cartoor on the 6" - not hugely convincing, but not entirely implausible either. OSI still won't export for me. Edit: I've found them on streetview. Not there.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Mar/2021 16:33:05

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] There’s a second OSI version that allows me at least to share, so I presume you mean here.

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 16:44:52

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] That's a handier version, alright. There's more further west and a couple of fords - e.g. arcg.is/ePjH1

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Mar/2021 17:12:52

    Looking at the catalogue, there are three photos of Croagh Patrick taken from Brackloon (one, two, three) and one from "Cappagh".

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 18:46:25

    Not the usual Cappagh - it's north of Castlebar. I wonder if they mean Knappagh? Which would be where Rory put it in the first place.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Mar/2021 19:02:00

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] There are also a couple titled "Knappa" with at least one having a similar view(one, two). However, my grand tour of the boreens of Knappagh/Brackloon didn't leave me any wiser.

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 19:05:10

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] The "Cappagh" one is taken from more or less this direction, but higher up, and I reckon further away. goo.gl/maps/VrnPozbX8XhKV1dN6 Edit: Possibly here, but it's hard to tell with a cloud on it: goo.gl/maps/7zUpSfAnamMwg1si8

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    derangedlemur

    • 25/Mar/2021 19:09:18

    Seems a reasonable spot to be taking photos from - it's full of pilgrimy ruins: arcg.is/01mjvC

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Mar/2021 21:02:10

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] The weather was a lot nicer in 2009. I presume that this is the double bridge in Brackloon no. 3 Streetview / OS Map.

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    silverio10

    • 25/Mar/2021 22:23:49

    Buenas fotos antiguas

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    O Mac

    • 26/Mar/2021 01:03:53

    I have to agree with [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] and say that the evidence points to this photo having been taken in Co Kerry and, as Niall said, not too far from Killarney . The preceding photo 0676 is of Kate Kearneys and the following ones are also of Kerry. 0678 show the same pointy mountain. Kate Kearney's cottage is 8.5kms away. There is also a wee stream (River Gaddagh) below the road and the satellite view shows a ford.. goo.gl/maps/Ej5LBS2e5CLCyKKN6 0676 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000563995 0677 The above. 0678 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000563997

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Mar/2021 07:08:59

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That's a better fit alright.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Mar/2021 08:51:12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Right on the money, well done. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 26/Mar/2021 09:09:04

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Yes - that looks spot on - well done Niall McAuley and O Mac - that's Corrauntuathil peeping out from behind Knockbrinnea

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    suckindeesel

    • 26/Mar/2021 16:52:26

    No idea either, but it's a nice view https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/51073942276/in/dateposted/

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    Dr. Ilia

    • 08/Apr/2021 08:00:05

    Wonderful details!