I’m Bert, p’raps you’ve heard of me?

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When: 08 July 1905

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W.J. Brennan of Market Street, Tramore may have been the dedicated follower of fashion in 1905, but in 2021 he seems the perfect caricature of “Burlington Bertie from Bow”! We know the date, the name, the place. So what more can we find out about W.J. “Bertie” Brennan?


Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Collection, Waterford

Date: Saturday, 8 July 1905

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 1476a

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    John Spooner

    • 06/May/2021 07:46:42

    Could he be the Dr W J Brennan of Dunmore East, who died suddenly "in the prime of life" in 1942? Keen on cricket, badminton and tennis. Left a widow and young family. "Behind a somewhat brusque and abrupt manner there was a generous heart" (Waterford Standard - Saturday 21 February 1942). I'm not sure the ages match up satisfactorily, unless "prime of life" includes being in his 50s. (Guessing Bertie is in his teens in the photo and born circa 1890).

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 06/May/2021 07:53:15

    6 July 1905 was a Thursday ...

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    John Spooner

    • 06/May/2021 08:00:56

    CIvil death records show WIlliam Joseph Brennon, medical practitioner, of "Sunnyside", Dunmore East, died Feb 1942 aged 55. Therefore born 1887-ish, so would be 18ish at the time of the Poole photo.

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 06/May/2021 08:02:12

    If indeed Dr. W.J. Brennan, then read third column, toward the bottom of this- snap.waterfordcoco.ie/collections/enewspapers/dungarvan_o...

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    John Spooner

    • 06/May/2021 08:20:00

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography Hmm. Unlikely to be the doctor then, if he was born in Co Clare and came to Dunmore East via the British Army in Mesopotamia, and University in Cork and Edinburgh. PS The Musselburgh News reports him winning a Territorial Sports long jump competition in Edinburgh on 21st June 1912. Even if the Poole photo matches his time at Cork (18, just started his studies), the Tramore address doesn't fit.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/May/2021 09:29:41

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography] "Native of Clare", 2 doctors in the family, odds are his father was a doctor too. A nun in there, so definitely RC. I only see one doctor Brennan in Clare in 1901: www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Ballyglas...

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    derangedlemur

    • 06/May/2021 09:36:15

    Census says William Brennan of Smithstown in Clare was 22 in 1911, so 53 rather than 55 at death, and was still in Smithstown .

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    derangedlemur

    • 06/May/2021 09:44:19

    There's no W.J. Brennan in Tramore in either census, so he must have been off on his travels, whether at university or run off to sea to be a ship's cat.

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    derangedlemur

    • 06/May/2021 09:47:25

    Possibly he was just in town for the wedding.

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    derangedlemur

    • 06/May/2021 09:53:42

    There's a couple more shots of him, with a very furrowed brow and bags under his eyes. Has he been photoshopped a bit? catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000591673 Edit: Before & After - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000591672 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000591673. They've smoothed his furrowed brow, removed the double chin and stuck his arm behind his back.

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    derangedlemur

    • 06/May/2021 10:31:14

    Actually, if you look at his hand in the before one, he looks about 40.

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    John Spooner

    • 06/May/2021 10:36:17

    Dr William Brennan's brother Dr James Brennan died in Limerick in 1950. Their bereaved sister was Mrs Andrew Finn of Waterford.

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    John Spooner

    • 06/May/2021 10:42:09

    There was also a Dr R.D.M Brennan who worked in mental health in Clare. He had previously been at Waterford Mental Hospital. (Waterford Standard - Saturday 22 October 1938)

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    Bernard Healy

    • 06/May/2021 10:58:34

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Based on the family information given in the obituary, I'm pretty sure that this is the family of Dr Brennan - note the address Smithstown which was home to his brother at the time of his death: www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Clenagh/S... Willie Brennan was 13 in 1901. So this matches as regards age too.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/May/2021 11:12:16

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] Waterford Connection: Annie Brennan married Andrew Finn of Waterford, but not until 1920.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 06/May/2021 12:51:16

    Here is Dr Brennan's marriage - in Limerick to a Clarewoman, Margaret O'Grady, in Dec 1922. He was already based in Dunmore East at that stage. civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marri... I'm also wondering if these two death notices might just be of two of his sons: notices.irishtimes.com/death/brennan/2399817?from_mobile=... rip.ie/death-notice/brian-brennan-cabinteely-dublin/342798 Note the family names, and the fact that Killea seems to be the family burial place.

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 06/May/2021 13:05:18

    In the photo, above, this young man would be no more than 18 to 22.

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    John Spooner

    • 06/May/2021 15:19:22

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy Don Brennan the banker was definitely his son. I saw a newspaper announcement that Don Brennan, son of the late Dr Brennan of Dunmore East, had passed his banking exams. (Waterford Standard - Saturday 05 June 1943)

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 06/May/2021 16:28:43

    I need a straw hat like that.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 06/May/2021 19:46:16

    If we're trying to connect Brennans to Market Street, Tramore. See this: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000688527 Carte de visite commissioned by Miss M. Brennan, c/o Mrs Byrne, Market Street, Tramore c.1921 The only Byrnes I can find on Market Street is here: www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Tramo... It hardly proves anything, but I suppose there could be some connection between the Brennans & the Byrne household on Market Street, Tramore.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/May/2021 08:22:52

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] Interesting that it is Miss M. - on the record of William's birth, the very next entry is Mary Esther, his twin sister. Williams mother was a Slattery, and Mrs. Byrne was a Browne, so it is not as simple as visiting their Aunt.