The King and his Palace in Cork

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King Street in Cork City is the location for today’s Lawrence image, and those Corkonians did not have the good grace to stand still while they were being shot! A fine image with lots of movement and detail, but what can we find out about it?

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1865-1914

NLI Ref: L_CAB_00809

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/May/2021 07:20:22

    It's survived reasonably well: goo.gl/maps/t2gVSmbNfHSPAMAk6

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 18/May/2021 07:49:55

    Looks like the glass canopy for the Everyman Palace has moved a few doors down the street: www.google.ie/maps/@51.9014819,-8.4680146,3a,65y,245.27h,...

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 18/May/2021 07:52:34

    Cork Baptist Church is dated 1892, and Victoria Buildings beside it was built in 1898 according to the NIAH, so our photo is later

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 18/May/2021 07:59:09

    Lots of dating info on previous visits ... Reverse view - https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/8280822924/ And the Metropole Hotel (1897+) on the left - https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/28161524017/

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    John Spooner

    • 18/May/2021 08:53:56

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I've no comment on today's photo, but reading the comments on the top one (reverse view) has reacquainted me with Mdlle Alma and her amazing electric globes (including her 'gyrations', 'and 'evolutions').

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 18/May/2021 09:17:20

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner What a remarkable lady she was! Can't believe that was eight years ago.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/May/2021 09:30:09

    Electric trams are from 1898 on. I think this is later than the full frontal Metropole pic - Lawsons have added a Hairdressing saloon sign.

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    John Spooner

    • 18/May/2021 09:53:37

    Remarkable enough to earn herself a https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia limerick. I wonder what happened to them?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/May/2021 10:16:18

    Nearby in the catalogue no help below, L_CAB_00808 is from about 1880: Annesley Bridge, Cork City

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/May/2021 10:49:52

    I now think this must be at the end of the possible range. I put a note on a two storey building on the North side, beyond the Baptist church. The NIAH gives a clearly wrong c1925 date, but catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000339292 shows the Metropole and electric trams per todays shot so after 1898, but not that building. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000324286 is from a similar angle showing a similar scene, and does show that building. So todays shot is one of the later ones, not right at 1900, but after enough time that the Gallery 44 building has been added. Aha! DIA to the rescue, they list extension and alteration to #44 for R.B. Baker in 1909. Aha Part 2! Richard B. Baker is a Cycle and Motor Mercht in 1911, and in that context the writing on the side of the new building makes sense: R. B Agent RALE (igh) SUNB (eam) I could be convinced thet the 3D writing above the window says R.B. BAKER

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    John Spooner

    • 18/May/2021 11:50:51

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley R. B Baker advertised in Cork newspapers from 1896, but didn't mention Raleigh until November 1900, when he announced that he was now sole agent for Raleigh and had just received a large consignment. Sole agents for Sunbeam was W Haynes of Patrick street until at least 1903. No mention of Sunbeam in Baker's adverts until 1911, as far as I can find. In August 1911 they were sole agents for Raleigh, Sunbeam and Sparkbrook cycles, and Douglas, Motosacoche, Matchless, Vindic, A.J.S and N.S.U. motorcycles.. Before 1896 R. B Baker had been mentioned in the results of cycle races.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/May/2021 12:29:52

    In the 1910 Guy's, he is sole agents for Raleigh, Sunbeam and Sparkbrook cycles.

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    suckindeesel

    • 18/May/2021 13:10:51

    "Dan Lowry’s Palace of Varieties" on the left, a sister theatre to Dublin's Olympia Theatre to which it bears a striking resemblance. Has hosted many famous performers, including a pre Hollywood Chaplin and Laurel and Hardy.

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    John Spooner

    • 18/May/2021 14:31:27

    There's a Bakers/Sunbeam advert in the Cork Examiner on 30 January 1908 featuring a six-speed gear. It reminded me of this:

    ‘I do not believe in the three-speed gear at all.’ the Sergeant was saying, ‘it is a new-fangled instrument, it crucifies the legs, the half of the accidents are due to it.’ ‘It is a power for the hills,’ said Gilhaney, ‘as good as a second pair of pins or a diminutive petrol motor.’
    Flann O’Brien, The Third Policeman (1967) It appears to be a 3-speed hub gear combined with a 2-speed bottom-bracket gear. Everything you ever wanted to know about the Sunbeam A6: onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/1915-golden-sunbeam-for-gentlem...

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    suckindeesel

    • 18/May/2021 17:07:19

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Aah, the Brooks saddle, there was a time when every bike was fitted with one. The 3-speed hub looks like a predecessor to the Sturmey-Archer hub. Now they all come from Taiwan or China. https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/51187578546/in/dateposted/

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    John Spooner

    • 19/May/2021 08:31:45

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Brooks saddles are still produced in their Birmingham factory, although they are owned by Selle Italia. Most of my bikes have one.

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    aesrth

    • 29/May/2021 23:51:18

    thumbs up!