Never mind the castle, name the horse?

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Magherameena Castle, Belleek, Co. Monaghan may be the focus of the image but that horse deserves a name after standing patiently there for us to get to him! Continuing Monaghan Week we move to this elaborate if rather grim looking castellated big house. As you can see our friendly jarvey has paused the horse for the shot so that we can admire his steed. Can you spot the deliberate mistake?????

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1865 - 1914

NLI Ref: L_CAB_04725

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Jun/2021 07:10:22

    A wee excerpt from Patrick Kavanagh's "The Great Hunger"! Of life as it is broken-backed over the Book Of Death? Here crows gabble over worms and frogs And the gulls like old newspapers are blown clear of the hedges, luckily. Is there some light of imagination in these wet clods?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 23/Jun/2021 07:22:35

    I think the horse is called Patience! Is that young Mr Jaunty? And old Mr French?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 23/Jun/2021 07:33:16

    There is another photo at the other side of the house with Jaunty and French - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000324994 [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bbd/] thinks this is 1897 - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bbd/2750361306/in/photolist-5c3jAw]

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Jun/2021 07:50:18

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] I agree on Jaunty and French, I will add it to our Focus on our Photographers Album

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    O Mac

    • 23/Jun/2021 08:01:33

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Beleek is in Co Fermanagh?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Jun/2021 08:16:43

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Well spotted! We will have to speak to the cataloguers, AGAIN.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 23/Jun/2021 08:32:25

    On dear! Oh very dear! In 2003 via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bbd/] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bbd/193042011/] And Lord Belmont has lots of history - lordbelmontinnorthernireland.blogspot.com/2013/11/maghera...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 23/Jun/2021 08:39:54

    At the DIA.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 23/Jun/2021 08:43:11

    Having stared at Mr French's work for the last ten years, it is slightly spooky to have him stare back ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/51264768282/

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Jun/2021 09:01:05

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Big Brother is Watching You

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    Niall McAuley

    • 23/Jun/2021 09:28:28

    Occupants in 1901 census (just staff) and in 1911, with the Johnston's at home.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Jun/2021 10:53:32

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I see the 1911 Census states that he is "Master of the House" which reminded me immediately of Les Miserables, until I saw on another link that he was in fact the Master of the Horse to His Excellency the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. He was also "Deputy Ranger of The Curragh of Kildare" I wonder what the duties of the job were?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 23/Jun/2021 11:17:13

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] To fill in one detail missing from that history, Robert Edgeworth Johnston, father of James Cecil in the census, died in 1882 when James. C. was small, so James C. was probably the owner at the time of this photo.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 23/Jun/2021 12:44:28

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Could well be! I have reservations about the "1897" date, because most photos with young Jaunty were more 1890-ish, as I remember. That "1897" date crops up again here - a bit of a red herring but a wonderful story, 'Searching for Omar' - barrybdoyle.com/2016/03/23/searching-for-omar/

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    John Spooner

    • 23/Jun/2021 12:44:35

    And here's what you would have found in the castle (and its outbuildings) until October 1916, when the contents were auctioned. I'm going to bid on the serviceable Donkey. The resident horse was a a very promising Filly, but no name given.

    MAGHERAMEENA CASTLE, BELEEK, CO. FERMANAGH. WEDNESDAY, 18th October, 1916. Auction sale of cattle, horse, DONKEY, IMPLEMENTS, and RESIDUE OF FURNITURE, comprising:— 4 Milch Cows, 9 Young Store Cattle (about yr. old), 4 Calves, a very promising Filly, rising 3 year old; serviceable Donkey, 2 Farm Carts, Polo Trap, Double Cylinder Metal Field Boiler, Ditto Lawn Roller, Bamford Double Hay Tedder, Turnip Sheer, Turnip Sower, Triangle Beam and Scales, Potato Sprayer, Plough, by Pearce; Double Brake, Lawn Mower and Marker, Garden Tools, Telescope Ladder, Cart Harness, Saddle, Manure, &c., &c. FURNITURE RESIDUE includes: Oil Paintings, Italian and Dutch Schools; Curios include—lo Old Flint-lock Muskets, 6 Old Cavalry Service Swords, Old Irish Pike, Spinning Wheels and Reels, Antique Chippendale Mahogany Case Clock, with Brass Dial; Antique 8 feet Oak Welsh Dresser, with 4 drawers, on leg frame, and shelved upper part for display of china; Antique Mahogany Oval Falling Leaf Table, valuable Mosaic Marble Top Circular Table, on finely made rosewood pillar and claw; Set IS exceptionally Solid Oak Dining Chairs, Gothic style, and 2 High-back Arm Carving Chairs en suite; very large Set of finely made Old Mahogany Economy Dinner Tables. Oak 4ft. 6in. American Roll-top Desk and Revolving Study Chair, Bookcase and Books, Grand Piano, by Collard; Angelus Piano Player, Antique Mahogany Bench Seat, with arms in chintz; Couch, Easy Arm Chairs, Grandfather Chair, with cheek rests; Bedsteads and Mattresses, Presses, Chests of Drawers, Standard and other Lamps, some Cooking Utensils and Delph, 2 Semi-circular Fenders, with movable radiators,and sundry other articles. Sale by Auction at Magherameena Castle on Wednesday, 18th October, at 11-30 o’clock. Delivery on Thursday, 19th, on which day all Goods and Live Stock are to be removed and paid for not later than 3 o’clock. TERMS.—Strictly Cash. Purchasers to pay 25 per cent, deposit at sale. Purchasers to pay 5 per cent. Auction fees on all purchases, including live stock. , JAMES ADAM & SONS, Auctioneers, 17, Merrion Row, Dublin.
    (Belfast News-Letter - Monday 16 October 1916)

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    John Spooner

    • 23/Jun/2021 12:54:09

    And in 1909, here are the rooms of the castle and the birds which you could blast out of the sky:

    IRELAND.—SHOOTING and FISHING.— MAGHERAMEENA CASTLE, two miles from Belleek and six from Bundoran, to LET by the year or for a term, fully Furnished; all modern domestic conveniences, lounge hall, four reception, nine family bedrooms, two bathrooms, ample servants' accommodation; shooting over 5000 acres, grouse, pheasants, snipe, 'cock, etc.; bag on application: within two miles of the best part of the Erne salmon fishing centre: good water supply raised by windmill.—Apply to JAMES ADAMS and SONS, Agents, 17, Merrion-now. Dublin
    (Field - Saturday 03 July 1909)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Jun/2021 13:01:55

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Every home should have one!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 23/Jun/2021 13:18:23

    Robert French is 69 in the 1911 census, so if we are nearer 1891 he would be 50 or so here. He lived until 1917, at his death he was recorded as 75, a Photographer (Retired), still living in Ashfield Avenue as in the census.

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    suckindeesel

    • 23/Jun/2021 15:51:52

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Abstract www.jstor.org/stable/25509019 The preservation of the Curragh of Kildare was the responsibility of the Ranger of Curragh. His office, which appears to have originated in the 1680s, existed until 1961. This is the first historical account of the office and of its leading holders to whose efforts the survival of the Curragh intact for so long is largely due.

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    suckindeesel

    • 23/Jun/2021 16:04:35

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/51266861944/in/dateposted/ Holmes and Watson taking the dogcart back to the station following the successful solution to another case.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 23/Jun/2021 16:07:48

    The OSI map marks Magheramenagh Flag Station on the railway just 500m from the castle. This was the branch of the Great Northern Line from Bundoran Junction to Bundoran via Belleek and Ballyshannon.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 23/Jun/2021 16:39:33

    Here is #13 Ashfield Avenue, Ranelagh, French's home in retirement.

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    John Spooner

    • 23/Jun/2021 16:44:59

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley The construction of flag station was the subject of legal action:

    Johnson v. the Enniskillen, Bundoran and Sligo Railway Company-Mr. Lawson, Q C., on behalf of petitioner, applied by cause petition on behalf of petitioner for an order to compel the specific performance of articles of agreement entered into on the 14th of Jun last, between petitioner and respondents respecting the construction of a flag station at Magherameena Castle, county Fermanagh, for the use of Mr. Johnson and his family, through whose lands the defendants' railway passed. The Vice Chancellor granted the prayer of the petition.
    (Freeman's Journal - Tuesday 19 November 1867)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 23/Jun/2021 16:52:10

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Ah, so a Flag Station was a Quid Pro Quo for allowing the railway across their land, interesting.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 23/Jun/2021 17:00:07

    The railway closed in 1957.

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    suckindeesel

    • 23/Jun/2021 17:33:26

    It was a private request halt, not uncommon in those days, for the use of the landowner through whose land the line ran. Presumably, one waved a flag in advance of the train. It opened in May 1875 It was in part payment for allowing the railway through. It sounds like the original railway welshed on the deal. Other examples still exist: the ornate 'bathing temple' and enclosed bridge over the line near Blackrock, Co. Dublin were part of the payment demanded by Lord Cloncurry, who liked both his privacy and sea bathing.

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    John Spooner

    • 23/Jun/2021 21:54:02

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] An earlier (1894) address for Robert French was 20 Beechwood Avenue, Ranelagh. William Lawrence and Robert French

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Jun/2021 06:36:20

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Excellent piece about the Ranger.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Jun/2021 06:43:42

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia One of these days we must get all the information we (you) have uncovered about our photohraphers in one place.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Jun/2021 08:01:13

    In that 1911 census, we see French's 25 year old daughter Mary. Here is the record of her birth in 1886, when French was recorded as a photographers assistant and his address was 3 Mount Pleasant Parade in Ranelagh. His wife was Henrietta née Johns. At the time of their marriage in 1863, he was recorded as a Printer, perhaps on Upper Mount? Street, and Henrietta is recorded as Jones. Henrietta French lived to be 62 in 1905.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Jun/2021 08:16:59

    I don't see Robert, Henrietta or Mary in the 1901 census.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Jun/2021 08:27:00

    Robert French junior born in 1866, address 24 Charlotte Street. George French in 1872, 73 Charlemont Street. Elinor Margaret in 1879, Upper Mount Pleasant Avenue in Ranelagh. Elizabeth Catherine 1881, ditto. Annie Kate 1883, Mount Pleasant Parade.