A lovers tryst - a chance meeting?

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Where: Munster, Waterford, Ireland

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For many of Arthur Henri's images the people are carefully posed in a formal manner but this, while carefully posed, has a sense of informality about it that is quite charming. The lady's hat is a hatorifically fine confection and the gentleman's dress is "country squire" and they do make a handsome couple. The lady's dress looks as though it has a "bustle" which might help with dating?

Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: Between 1901 - 1954 Most likely 1880s.

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 0153

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 21/Jul/2021 08:17:38

    Mr and Mrs Joe Tobin(?) are looking very late 1880s to me ... aside Anyone for a spot of cricket? The Irish cricket team in ca. 1858 in Phoenix Park, Dublin, via https://www.flickr.com/photos/statelibraryofnsw/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/statelibraryofnsw/51325145628/

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    suckindeesel

    • 21/Jul/2021 08:26:45

    From the 1901, with large brood and household www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Tramo...

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    Billy Quinn 1954

    • 21/Jul/2021 08:46:59

    I like the leg thing he has going on. It might be better if I photoshopped that left gate away....easy peasy, as they say.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 21/Jul/2021 08:48:34

    There are some more Tobin, Tramore photos available, both with kids: outside a house, in the studio.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 21/Jul/2021 08:54:55

    They were married in 1881 (1st June) at what I assume is the Pro-Cathedral in Dublin. She was a widow at the time - Nannie Doheny (sp.?) née Kenealy.

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    O Mac

    • 21/Jul/2021 09:40:43

    Same pose different hat. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000590004/MooviewerImg?mobile...

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/Jul/2021 09:43:54

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That second hat is very ageing, isn't it?

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    Billy Quinn 1954

    • 21/Jul/2021 09:52:44

    The Traditional, and Much Loved, Mating Dance Same pose, different gate

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    O Mac

    • 21/Jul/2021 10:00:51

    derangedlemur I suppose it is. From the other Tobin photographs in the Poole collection I see that this photo was taken at "Rocklands".. Showing same wall with stones. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000590043

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    sharon.corbet

    • 21/Jul/2021 10:05:29

    Joseph Tobin died in 1902

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    sharon.corbet

    • 21/Jul/2021 10:10:07

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] The house in the photo I linked to above looks like it could be one of the terrace of 4 houses called Rocklands

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2021 10:35:50

    Streetview does not go right into Rocklands, but you can see there are lots of old stone walls like that in the vicinity.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2021 10:52:12

    From the Birth record of John Tobin, we learn that in October 1883 Joseph was a Draper and lived in Belleview Terrace, not Rocklands. Birth of Joseph Richard in 1885 tells us nothing beyond "Tramore", but by the 17th June 1886 birth of Rose Marcella they are at Rocklands.

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    O Mac

    • 21/Jul/2021 11:21:28

    Tobin's drapers The Quay Waterford. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000590610

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2021 11:44:13

    Nannie's first marriage was to James Doheny, Editor, of William Street, Kilkenny in 1878. James died in 1879, he was 28. Per her age of 39 in the 1901 census above, she would only have been 16 in 1878. They had a son, Walter Francis, born in February 1879.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 21/Jul/2021 15:09:48

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Walter Francis seems to have been an interesting person. (Though I wish they'd introduce the "Doheny Holiday" here in Germany) He was staying with his great-aunt Lousia Maxwell in Kilkenny in both 1901 and 1911.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Jul/2021 14:19:42

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Any sign of the Tobins from the 1901 census above in the 1911 census? Constance Tobin, for example, does not appear, and nothing in the marriage or death records, just her birth in 1893. I wonder if they all emigrated after Joseph died?

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    sharon.corbet

    • 22/Jul/2021 14:31:50

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Nannie and 3 of her kids (Patrick, John and Rose) are in Chelsea, London in 1911. Gerald was at school in Lancashire.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 22/Jul/2021 14:44:23

    Herbert was in the same school in Lancashire, but I can't find anything definite on the others.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Jul/2021 15:24:40

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Chances are the whole family left, I'd say.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 22/Jul/2021 19:52:29

    I went looking a bit more and discovered that Mrs Nannie Tobin, and 3 of her children - Rose, Patrick and Lt. Gerald, were killed in a house fire in London in 1917. Constance, Nancy, Private John and Lt. B Tobin were all present at the funeral. The details are given in the Kilkenny Moderator of 26th May 1917.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 22/Jul/2021 20:20:40

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley There's a notice of a sale of the contents of Rocklands in the Waterford Standard of September 10th 1902, as Mrs Joseph Tobin is going to reside in London.

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    Dún Laoghaire Micheál

    • 22/Jul/2021 23:02:56

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/mutter_fluffer Missing gate? Could be West Cork :)

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    Flickr

    • 23/Jul/2021 04:15:20

    Congrats on Explore! ⭐ July 22, 2021

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Jul/2021 04:16:36

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Netflix?

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    Brunswick Forge

    • 23/Jul/2021 04:16:47

    This is an excellent addition to today's Explore page. 👍📷 Greetings from southwestern Virginia, USA.

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    s0340248

    • 23/Jul/2021 04:21:50

    Glückwunsch zu Explore !

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    Salvi_xo

    • 23/Jul/2021 04:55:33

    Lovely photo

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    Billy Quinn 1954

    • 23/Jul/2021 05:16:02

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I do believe that in West Cork, around this particular date, whenever it was, that a single gate was deemed sufficient, in what might be a space that would normally be domicile for one of the twinned variety. De Selby thought this had something to do with the idea that "a gate can both be opened and closed at the same time", if you get my drift. Marcel Duchamp later investigated this in his 'Images for Duchamp studio door: 'Door, 11 rue Larrey - Tout-Fait'. I quote: "thus countering the French saying that a door cannot be open and shut at the same time. Arturo Schwarz, in his The Complete Works of Marcel Duchamp (Thames and Hudson, 1969) described this structure as a “Three-dimensional pun: a door which is permanently opened and shut at the same time” (p. 496). Duchamp never gave any credit to de Selby, or West Cork. The missing gate also left room so that there was a suggestion that the relationship, the pending marriage itself, might be open or closed. This in itself was a scandalous idea at the time, but was more thought of as a sort of cheeky jape, and something that might be more Protestant than Catholic. I say this with no particular bias myself, having lived in the heathen lands most of my life, and having thereby thoroughly absorbed godlessness. I might add that Duchamp was Catholic through and through, and this might partly explain his inability to give credit where credit was due. Flann O' Brien never mentioned this particular reticence in his oeuvre.

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    Billy Quinn 1954

    • 23/Jul/2021 05:56:09

    The Complete Works of Marcel Duchamp

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    imatges blanc i negre

    • 23/Jul/2021 08:56:43

    Excel.lent blanc i negre. Enhorabona.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 23/Jul/2021 09:45:14

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] I see that notice in the online Waterford News of September 12th, auction set for September 25th. The fire is a sad bit of "news".

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    waewduan4

    • 23/Jul/2021 09:52:51

    Congrats !!!

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    gato-gato-gato

    • 23/Jul/2021 09:57:21

    Spektakulär!

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    Thea Prum

    • 23/Jul/2021 14:48:08

    So neat

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    sharon.corbet

    • 23/Jul/2021 15:19:23

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland You might want to update the date range - Joseph Tobin died in 1902, and I think I'd agree with https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia that this "looks" 1880s-ish to me.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Jul/2021 17:03:17

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Thanks for reminding me, I will go with "Most likely 1880s". https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I have mapped the photo to Rocklands

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    • 23/Jul/2021 21:34:52

    Congrats on Explore!

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    Sharon's Shotz

    • 24/Jul/2021 02:03:35

    Congrats on Explore!