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Where: Douglas, Isle of Man

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The dirty smoke emanating from the stacks of the paddle steamer are in sharp contrast to the environmentally friendly sailing ships nearby. Whatever is going on there appears to be a large crowd of onlookers/passengers on the pier. Where is it and what was going on?

Photographer: Thomas H. Mason

Collection: Mason Photographic Collection

Date: 1890 - 1910

NLI Ref: M49/8

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    an poc

    • 20/Sep/2021 08:11:54

    Douglas, Isle of Man perhaps?

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    derangedlemur

    • 20/Sep/2021 08:12:13

    The railway steamer leaving Kingstown (as it was then), by the look of it.

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    John_A68

    • 20/Sep/2021 08:17:53

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think the landscape behind the boats is wrong for Kingstown/Dun Laoghaire.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 20/Sep/2021 08:21:53

    Does the steamer have a Manx triskelion on the paddle cover? A google shows some matches, like the Mona's Isle III Douglas harbour, maybe?

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    derangedlemur

    • 20/Sep/2021 08:24:29

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Hard to say. it looks more like Dun Laoghaire than it does Cobh or Bangor. Of course, it may not be Ireland.

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    derangedlemur

    • 20/Sep/2021 08:37:49

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I did wonder was it Douglas - Mason does seem to go to the Isle of Man a lot, but if it is, where's the Pier?

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    an poc

    • 20/Sep/2021 08:39:56

    cf. this view - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000543134/HierarchyTree - possibly taken around the same time?

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    derangedlemur

    • 20/Sep/2021 08:46:28

    Not the best view, but this goo.gl/maps/p5umq8yAZ88C24Fn7 does make Douglas look more plausible.

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    suckindeesel

    • 20/Sep/2021 08:59:35

    Yes, but the 'Great Union Camera Obscura' looks intriguing

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 20/Sep/2021 09:31:27

    I don't know which ferry this one is, but the distinctive four-funnelled paddle steamer in [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]]'s other view, is the "Ben-my-Chree" (2) 1875-1906 - military.wikia.org/wiki/SS_Ben-my-Chree_(1875) Pictorial list of all the ships of the Isle of Man Steam Packet Co., which is evidently "the oldest continuously operating passenger shipping company in the world, celebrating its 190th anniversary in 2020." www.simplonpc.co.uk/IOMSP1.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man_Steam_Packet_Company

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    John Carson Essex UK

    • 20/Sep/2021 09:36:13

    Wow Brilliantly captured Photo and Wishing you a wonderful Sunny Day and please stay Covid safe. Grand Turk Tall Ships Great Yarmouth (14) See more photos in My Albums Seen and admired in Tall ships Awarding is Encouraged Post 1 Award at least 1 Get Three awards Post in New Hall of FameTallship award by the Admin John

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    Niall McAuley

    • 20/Sep/2021 09:48:50

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Looking at that simplon page, I think this is the Mona's Isle III.

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 20/Sep/2021 10:08:07

    Can you do me a favour . . . Any photos or information you can come up with the Atlas 1 that departed Dublin and Cork, on 29 November 1801 . . . That would be greatly appreciated.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 20/Sep/2021 10:11:28

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Could be! Some of them look very similar. Flickr is sometimes amazing - the 'Mona's Isle' III by john Valentine via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishwasa/] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishwasa/5822250280/] Edit - the Valentine dating site says 1882 for the photo, when the paddle steamer was new - www.historiccoventry.co.uk/main/pc-dating.php?pc=2808

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    Niall McAuley

    • 20/Sep/2021 10:23:22

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography] Atlas has a wikipedia page.

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 20/Sep/2021 10:31:21

    flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley/ Gosh, I would have never thought of Google or Wikipedia. I had my first cup of coffee 12 hours ago. There would be more specific records or information a library in Ireland would hold than a library in Australia, especially pertaining to the 63 Irish convicts (nationalists) who perished during that voyage.

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    robinparkes

    • 20/Sep/2021 13:59:45

    Do I see the tower of refuge to the right of the picture? That would certainly make it Douglas, Isle of Man if that is so.

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    derangedlemur

    • 20/Sep/2021 14:04:35

    Depending on how many you've had in the intervening hours, I think you need to drink either more or less coffee. The current dose seems to make you edgy.

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    marc.barrot

    • 20/Sep/2021 14:35:58

    This is an excellent Black and white Photo. Seen in Black & White Unlimited (pool) Your photo deserves a compliment from the special fish!!! compliment copy Please be sure your photo is TAGGED "Black & White" Black and White unlimited (pool) post 1 comment 2

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    derangedlemur

    • 20/Sep/2021 14:47:17

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I don't think you could claim with any degree of certainty that you can't see the tower of refuge.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 20/Sep/2021 21:22:26

    Dogless !