11,27 but is that "Daylight saving time"?

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Where: Leinster, Louth, Ireland

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Market Square, Ardee in County Louth with an imposing statue, a gated building and some impressive gentlemen standing still for the photographer. The variety of headgear is almost as interesting as the buildings but the shot suffers from the lack of canine interest!

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1865 - 1914 Most likely 1904 to 1911

NLI Ref: L_CAB_09238

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Nov/2021 09:23:04

    The statue is still there in streetview. It dates from 1861 per the NIAH

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Nov/2021 09:30:52

    L_ROY_10087 has the same crew, and we see the pub on the right is T. V. McQuillans. Thomas V. McQuillan is only 25 in 1901, I think we are probably in the 1900s. I don't see McQuillan in 1911...

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    Swordscookie

    • 01/Nov/2021 09:36:14

    The statue is to "the best landlord who ever lived"! Extract from Wiki designed by architect John Murray, was erected to the memory of "one of the best landlords that ever lived" and placed in such a prominent position within the town of Ardee because of the respect in which Sir Frederick Foster was held by his tenants.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 01/Nov/2021 09:40:04

    As we're almost certainly after 1880 and pre-1916, it's wouldn't be Daylight Saving Time or Greenwich Mean Time, but Dunsink Time or Dublin Mean Time, which was 25 minutes and 21 secs behind Greenwich.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Nov/2021 09:40:34

    It surprised me to find that this photo is the later of the two. Going by the shadow of the lamp on the plinth (see note).

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    cargeofg

    • 01/Nov/2021 09:51:48

    If you use the streeview link in the https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley post to the left is Foster Close. Older buildings on left seem to have been part of a farm yard. The newer houses at rear are possibly on the site of the hayshed in the left hand corner of today plate.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Nov/2021 10:03:42

    House #1 on Irish Street is Judith Breen in 1911 instead of McQuillan (assuming the numbering stays the same).

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Nov/2021 10:12:59

    Location on the 25" of 1908 Gates to the rear lead to the Market Yard. Wooded area is start of the Ardee House demesne. I don't think the current locals share the same view of his lordship, given that the're trying to obscure the view of his statue with a tree. The point of erecting the statue in this location was its prominent position.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/Nov/2021 10:16:26

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet We stand very much corrected. :-)

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Nov/2021 10:24:34

    More about the fascinating Fosters - www.abandonedireland.com/GlydeCourt.html Their house, Glyde Court, etc in a fantastic Foster family photo album, via the timeless (!) NLI - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000282277#page/1/mode/1up

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Nov/2021 10:45:21

    Sometimes Flickr is amazingly close! In 2012 at 15:14 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/burren__flicker/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/burren__flicker/7836795158/

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    cargeofg

    • 01/Nov/2021 11:31:27

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Sunday Miscellany of yesterday had a story on GMT and Dunsink time.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Nov/2021 11:33:20

    I referenced L_ROY_10087 above, and there is a sequence of L_ROYs of Ardee. L_ROY_10082 includes a fancy motor car, reg AI-16. That's a Meath plate after December 1903. In 1914 it was still on the road, and registered to H.M Dyas of Boltown, Kells.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 01/Nov/2021 12:19:02

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Yeah, it's something that frequently comes up around when the hour changes. (Along with the related fact that unlike most other countries, Ireland is on standard time in the summer months and goes back an hour to winter time. Officially Irish Standard Time is GMT+1.)

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    cargeofg

    • 01/Nov/2021 12:43:15

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Yes I always had to remember what time it was when I phoned customers in Germany or Holland. Now I only have to think about it when I call Sweden or East Coast USA. Was there a period when UK time (1990s) changed and Germany/Europe was 2hrs different for a week or two

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Nov/2021 12:44:42

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet We never got those 25-minutes back

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Nov/2021 13:23:47

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Seem to remember some experiment like that but can't remember any details, but I heard that there was something called 'double summer time'' during WW2 in Britain

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    Domhnallcos

    • 01/Nov/2021 16:21:39

    Just to be pedantic, GMT ended in 1967. We're on UTC now although our neighbours insisted on adding leap seconds to atomic time to keep the link to GMT. It is of great comfort to them to think everyone still notes the passage of time with reference to Greenwich.

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Nov/2021 17:16:31

    What happened to that proposal by the EU to abolish summer/winter time? I know that the UK opposed it, so I suppose Ireland will remain stuck with it even if abolished in Europe.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Nov/2021 17:46:38

    Nearby L_CAB_09237 has the same motor car, so I think the sequences are the same day, and all 1904 to 1915 somewhere. L_ROY_10088 of Brophy's Hotel, Castle Street does not have the car as 82 above, but there is a couple in both wearing the same clothes, perhaps hoteliers Gerald and his sister Marion (wife Minna died in 1903), more evidence the sequences are the same day.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 01/Nov/2021 20:50:57

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Covid distracted everyone.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Nov/2021 06:21:13

    L_ROY_10080 Market Street, Ardee, nearby includes the c1890 red brick bank, and opposite, this building at the NIAH: Attached three-bay two-storey gable-fronted house and shop, built c. 1915 This suggests the sequence is right at the end of the date range (even if that date is rather approximate).

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Nov/2021 06:53:14

    Interesting! In L_ROY_10086 of the same spot 8 minutes later, we can see the notice board behind the man standing in today's shot. In megazoom, I can see two identical posters advertising something with the title OURBOYS. Per wikipedia: Type Monthly boys' magazine Format Magazine Owner(s) Irish Christian Brothers Founded September 1914

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    cargeofg

    • 02/Nov/2021 10:17:07

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Double British Summer time was in place from Feb 25 1940 to Oct 7 1945. One of the main reasons given was to aid people getting home from work before black out.