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Normally the Mason Collection will have somewhere or something out of the ordinary on offer but in this case it is just a house! A big, solid, somewhat neglected house with lots of windows, many of them open in a rural setting. The catalogue title states "House - Rathalohean - No 44, Fr Mathew set." and therein may lie the clue. So, is it or isn't it?

Photographer: Thomas H. Mason

Collection: Mason Photographic Collection

Date: 1890 - 1910

NLI Ref: M20/31/4

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 21/Jan/2022 09:16:13

    It could be Rathlaheen House between Newmarket-on-Fergus and Sixmilebridge in Co Clare - now demolished

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/Jan/2022 09:29:25

    Could be. 25" says Rathlaheen House has a protruding porch but it's a good match otherwise.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2022 09:30:32

    A short ghost story.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2022 09:32:22

    Communism!

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 21/Jan/2022 09:34:33

    Rathlaheen House in Clare now seems unlikely - when it was recorded as the residence of AB Stoney in the 1901 census, Rathlaheen was said to have 20 windows in the front elevation, which doesn't match the current photo (even if we include at least four windows at basement level which can't be seen from this angle)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2022 09:43:24

    At the NUIG Landed Estates: A pink three storey house, home of a branch of the Vandeleur family in the 18th and early 19th centuries. In 1786 Wilson refers to it as the seat of Boyle Vandeleur. Also occupied by Boyle Vandeleur in 1814 and by John Scott Vandeleur in 1837 according to Lewis. It was the centre of the famous Rathlaheen Co-operative in the early 19th century. Following the bankruptcy of John Scott Vandeleur in the 1830s Pierce Creagh occupied the house holding it from the Vandeleurs. It later became a Stoney home. They were resident in 1906. The house is no longer extant.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2022 09:45:13

    Arbuthnot Stoney in the 1911 census. 8 windows to the front, 20 rooms.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2022 09:51:58

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think that 1901 form is just an error.

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:02:23

    "Home to the Vandeleur, Creagh, Stoney, McInerney, Murray and Hannon families. Rathlaheen House was a large, pink, rectangular, three-storey residence, facing north over broad tree-scattered parkland. While there were utility drives from the north and from the south, the main front avenue approached through woodland from the gate and gate lodge to the west-south-west. The house is now demolished" Does that look pink?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:02:53

    Emptyfieldview

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:03:54

    What do we think of Rathcloheen as an alternative misinterpretation?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:04:38

    The house is gone by the 1930s Cassini map.

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:05:20

    Rathcloheen house is also big and square, and not an obvious match or mismatch from the 25"

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:06:05

    That's it: www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/22206...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:07:55

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think the protusion is steps to the front door, and we would call it it two storeys over basement. (Although it could be three storeys at the back)

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:12:15

    Here is my version, though on the ass end of the Earth- www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography/51435848271/

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:13:21

    I don't see any connections to Father Mathew

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:18:25

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Detached double-pile five-bay two-storey over half-basement house according to the NIAH

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:27:11

    Rathcloheen House is a hop skip and a jump away from Thomastown Castle, where Fr Mathew was born and brought up. www.abandonedireland.com/Thomastown.html Edit - also - theirishaesthete.com/2021/08/30/thomastown/ " ... Theobald Mathew was related to a wealthy, and Protestand[t], landed family and grew up at Thomastown Castle, County Tipperary where his father acted as agent to a cousin, the first Earl of Landaff. ... "

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:33:28

    Slightlylessemptyfieldview: goo.gl/maps/D9JSEZLydd58QBKm9

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:43:03

    I see one other Mason marked Fr. Mathew Set, and it is a pic of the giant telescope at Birr, which also has no connection to Fr. Mathew. Perhaps the associated lecture covered general history during Fr. Mathews lifetime, like Communism at Rathlaheen and the largest telescope in the world at Birr?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:57:30

    OK all, I am convinced, this is Rathcloheen House near Golden. From Wikipedia: Father Theobold Mathew, OFM (Cap), was born at Thomastown Castle, close to Golden on 10 October 1790. It is also sometimes claimed that Rathclogheen House, close to the castle, was the place of his birth – that residence being part of the extensive family estate of the Mathew family, Earls Landaff.

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/Jan/2022 10:59:52

    😄 This is the first time all morning you've hit refresh, isn't it?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2022 11:04:53

    😄 https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 21/Jan/2022 11:59:11

    "... About the year 1795, James Mathew, finding a young family quickly springing up, and wishing, no doubt, to secure for himself some more permanent footing in the world than his position in Thomastown promised, took a large farm, with a commodious dwelling-house upon it, called Rathcloheen, in the immediate vicinity of Thomastown House; transported thither his wife and children, and so set up for himself ..." From - 'Father Mathew A Biography' by John Francis Maguire, Longmans 1863. Page 3 "Read for Free" - www.google.com.au/books/edition/Father_Mathew/VIMqAQAAIAA...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 21/Jan/2022 12:46:31

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Well done - excellent work.

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/Jan/2022 13:02:02

    Cough, Splutter!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 21/Jan/2022 15:46:10

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Are you taking something for that cough!!

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    suckindeesel

    • 21/Jan/2022 17:17:24

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ I hope it's not a dose f the dreaded Lurgy, particularly now that we may be leaving lockdown.

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/Jan/2022 18:01:45

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Well credit for locating this house, for a start!

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 21/Jan/2022 20:22:16

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Well done The Lemur ! 👍 [Aside] The fascinating red herring / wild goose chase over Rathlaheen House in Co. Clare (see above), helped me find again the reference to my own dear grandmother, 'Nan-Nan', from WW1 - "Miss Geraldine Mahon appealed for eggs for wounded soldiers and sailors in Dublin hospitals in 1915." Shortly after she married my grandfather, a Henn. 🐔 From - www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/history/clare_men_women...

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    silverio10

    • 21/Jan/2022 22:57:49

    Buenas fotos antiguas .

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 22/Jan/2022 07:01:01

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] All joking aside, I did read the comments incorrectly yesterday, you did indeed find the location. As always thanks to you and everyone for the great work. Mary.

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    John Spooner

    • 22/Jan/2022 10:38:50

    What Father Mathew got up to while staying at Rathclogheen (Cork Examiner - Monday 6 March 1848)

    FATHER MATHEW IN TIPPERARY. The venerated Apostle of Temperance arrived at Rathclogheen, the hospitable residence of his brother, on Saturday. Immense crowds of the peasantry of the surrounding country, and the inhabitants of the towns and villages, within the circuit of several miles crowded into Tipperary on Sunday, their numbers seemingly not diminished by the very unpropitous state of the weather, which was of the most tempestuous character during the day, and evincing an ardour to receive the pledge, or renew their former vows, fully equal to the enthusiasm with which the first propagation of the angelic virtue of Temperance was hailed. The Rev. Apostle attended Mass in the Chapel, eleven o'clock, on Sunday. The number of the congregation was so immense, that by far the larger portion knelt outside, such an intense ardour stimulated the poor people enrol themselves under the banner of temperance.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 22/Jan/2022 17:10:54

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner good find.

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    • 23/Jan/2022 04:15:17

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    Siuloon

    • 23/Jan/2022 05:54:48

    Hello! This is a wonderful shot. I am glad that I can look at it in explore. Congratulations. Via Today's Explore at #54 on Fluidr

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    Tché Djallo Djallo

    • 23/Jan/2022 08:47:12

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    • 23/Jan/2022 09:33:05

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    • 24/Jan/2022 06:58:58

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Always fun to find a personal connection.