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Where: Munster, Tipperary, Ireland
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Normally the Mason Collection will have somewhere or something out of the ordinary on offer but in this case it is just a house! A big, solid, somewhat neglected house with lots of windows, many of them open in a rural setting. The catalogue title states "House - Rathalohean - No 44, Fr Mathew set." and therein may lie the clue. So, is it or isn't it?
Photographer: Thomas H. Mason
Collection: Mason Photographic Collection
Date: 1890 - 1910
NLI Ref: M20/31/4
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Photographer: Thomas H. Mason
Collection: Mason Photographic Collection
Date: 1890 - 1910
NLI Ref: M20/31/4
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Rory_Sherlock
It could be Rathlaheen House between Newmarket-on-Fergus and Sixmilebridge in Co Clare - now demolished
derangedlemur
Could be. 25" says Rathlaheen House has a protruding porch but it's a good match otherwise.
Niall McAuley
A short ghost story.
Niall McAuley
Communism!
Rory_Sherlock
Rathlaheen House in Clare now seems unlikely - when it was recorded as the residence of AB Stoney in the 1901 census, Rathlaheen was said to have 20 windows in the front elevation, which doesn't match the current photo (even if we include at least four windows at basement level which can't be seen from this angle)
Niall McAuley
At the NUIG Landed Estates: A pink three storey house, home of a branch of the Vandeleur family in the 18th and early 19th centuries. In 1786 Wilson refers to it as the seat of Boyle Vandeleur. Also occupied by Boyle Vandeleur in 1814 and by John Scott Vandeleur in 1837 according to Lewis. It was the centre of the famous Rathlaheen Co-operative in the early 19th century. Following the bankruptcy of John Scott Vandeleur in the 1830s Pierce Creagh occupied the house holding it from the Vandeleurs. It later became a Stoney home. They were resident in 1906. The house is no longer extant.
Niall McAuley
Arbuthnot Stoney in the 1911 census. 8 windows to the front, 20 rooms.
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think that 1901 form is just an error.
derangedlemur
"Home to the Vandeleur, Creagh, Stoney, McInerney, Murray and Hannon families. Rathlaheen House was a large, pink, rectangular, three-storey residence, facing north over broad tree-scattered parkland. While there were utility drives from the north and from the south, the main front avenue approached through woodland from the gate and gate lodge to the west-south-west. The house is now demolished" Does that look pink?
Niall McAuley
Emptyfieldview
derangedlemur
What do we think of Rathcloheen as an alternative misinterpretation?
Niall McAuley
The house is gone by the 1930s Cassini map.
derangedlemur
Rathcloheen house is also big and square, and not an obvious match or mismatch from the 25"
derangedlemur
That's it: www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/22206...
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think the protusion is steps to the front door, and we would call it it two storeys over basement. (Although it could be three storeys at the back)
CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY
Here is my version, though on the ass end of the Earth- www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography/51435848271/
Niall McAuley
I don't see any connections to Father Mathew
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Detached double-pile five-bay two-storey over half-basement house according to the NIAH
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Rathcloheen House is a hop skip and a jump away from Thomastown Castle, where Fr Mathew was born and brought up. www.abandonedireland.com/Thomastown.html Edit - also - theirishaesthete.com/2021/08/30/thomastown/ " ... Theobald Mathew was related to a wealthy, and Protestand[t], landed family and grew up at Thomastown Castle, County Tipperary where his father acted as agent to a cousin, the first Earl of Landaff. ... "
derangedlemur
Slightlylessemptyfieldview: goo.gl/maps/D9JSEZLydd58QBKm9
Niall McAuley
I see one other Mason marked Fr. Mathew Set, and it is a pic of the giant telescope at Birr, which also has no connection to Fr. Mathew. Perhaps the associated lecture covered general history during Fr. Mathews lifetime, like Communism at Rathlaheen and the largest telescope in the world at Birr?
Niall McAuley
OK all, I am convinced, this is Rathcloheen House near Golden. From Wikipedia: Father Theobold Mathew, OFM (Cap), was born at Thomastown Castle, close to Golden on 10 October 1790. It is also sometimes claimed that Rathclogheen House, close to the castle, was the place of his birth – that residence being part of the extensive family estate of the Mathew family, Earls Landaff.
derangedlemur
😄 This is the first time all morning you've hit refresh, isn't it?
Niall McAuley
😄 https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
"... About the year 1795, James Mathew, finding a young family quickly springing up, and wishing, no doubt, to secure for himself some more permanent footing in the world than his position in Thomastown promised, took a large farm, with a commodious dwelling-house upon it, called Rathcloheen, in the immediate vicinity of Thomastown House; transported thither his wife and children, and so set up for himself ..." From - 'Father Mathew A Biography' by John Francis Maguire, Longmans 1863. Page 3 "Read for Free" - www.google.com.au/books/edition/Father_Mathew/VIMqAQAAIAA...
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Well done - excellent work.
derangedlemur
Cough, Splutter!
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Are you taking something for that cough!!
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ I hope it's not a dose f the dreaded Lurgy, particularly now that we may be leaving lockdown.
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Well credit for locating this house, for a start!
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Well done The Lemur ! 👍 [Aside] The fascinating red herring / wild goose chase over Rathlaheen House in Co. Clare (see above), helped me find again the reference to my own dear grandmother, 'Nan-Nan', from WW1 - "Miss Geraldine Mahon appealed for eggs for wounded soldiers and sailors in Dublin hospitals in 1915." Shortly after she married my grandfather, a Henn. 🐔 From - www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/history/clare_men_women...
silverio10
Buenas fotos antiguas .
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] All joking aside, I did read the comments incorrectly yesterday, you did indeed find the location. As always thanks to you and everyone for the great work. Mary.
John Spooner
What Father Mathew got up to while staying at Rathclogheen (Cork Examiner - Monday 6 March 1848)
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner good find.
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Marvelous.
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Glückwunsch zu Explore !
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Hello! This is a wonderful shot. I am glad that I can look at it in explore. Congratulations. Via Today's Explore at #54 on Fluidr
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well seen
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Franck LECANU
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derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Always fun to find a personal connection.