From East Avenue to Killarney in one leap?

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East Avenue Hall, Killarney, Co. Kerry where the gentlemen sit on the seats and the ladies sit on their dresses in the grass!
It's a far cry from East Avenue, New York to Killarney and yet not so far at all at all! I'm on tenterhooks waiting to find out what this is all about and where is it now?

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1865 - 1914

NLI Ref: L_ROY_10565

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Feb/2022 09:17:56

    There is an East Avenue Road in Killarney now, but it is not on the 25" or the 1930s Cassini

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Feb/2022 09:19:49

    The catalogue has an undigitized photo titled East Avenue Hall, showing band on stage, Killarney, Co. Kerry

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Feb/2022 09:19:57

    Is it the Jehovas, do you think, or just a random hall?

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Feb/2022 09:25:29

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Just saw that as well, which suggests not a kingdom hall.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Feb/2022 09:26:02

    I see a reference saying this hall was where the cinema is now (and on the 1930s Cassini) in Google Books search.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 08/Feb/2022 09:26:11

    Via Trove from November 1913 ... NEWSY NOTES FROM IRELAND. DUBLIN, November 13. [1913] Lady Aberdeen went to Killarney last week in the interests of the Women's National Health Association, and delivered a lecture on the subject in the East Avenue Hall. The following day (Thursday), she continued her journey to Tralee, and was present at a meeting of the Kerry County Council, returning in the evening to the Vice-regal Lodge, Dublin. See - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/22219810

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Feb/2022 09:31:20

    The book is "Hidden Kerry: The Keys to the Kingdom" by Breda Joy. Killarney's modern cinema succeeded an earlier cinema ... The East Avenue Hall, which originally stood on the site, boasted a maple-sprung dance floor. Lanterns hung in the trees to guide guests from the Great Southern Hotel down the pathway to the dances.

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Feb/2022 09:32:15

    "...the East Avenue Hall which is now Cinema Killarney"

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Feb/2022 09:33:15

    Looks nicer in the photo: goo.gl/maps/7anGa3TewNebSWTx6

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Feb/2022 09:35:12

    I'm surprised it didn't make the OSI survey. It must be brand new in this picture.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 08/Feb/2022 09:35:45

    Bang next door to the Munster Fusiliers Memorial. Also next door in the catalogue too ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/51729181015/in/dateposted/

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 08/Feb/2022 09:36:48

    I think it is this aspect going by the shadows and the lie of the land - goo.gl/maps/HMrH3MUvJgQ6wP3v6

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Feb/2022 10:11:12

    KY066-08, surveyed 1894, published 1897. So After 1894. And going by google maps, before 2009.

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Feb/2022 10:11:56

    The OSI 1995 aerial looks as though it could still be this building. It's not the one in Streetview, at any rate. It's marked as a cinema on the Cassini.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Feb/2022 10:31:51

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] The arcgis mapper says the Killarney 25" was surveyed 1894, published 1897.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Feb/2022 10:34:44

    The Fusiliers monument was unveiled in 1906.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Feb/2022 11:06:59

    L_ROY_10571, not a million catalogue miles away, is Cobh cathedral without a spire - The spire was erected between 1911-1915, and rises to a height of 300 feet.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Feb/2022 11:17:47

    In the other direction in the catalogue is L_ROY_10540, reliably dated to September 1909 by the eagle-eyed https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Feb/2022 11:27:52

    L_CAB_09349 is presumably the same visit. L_CAB_09348 is pier in Bantry, with the Lady Elsie tied up. She was built in 1906. The Pier railway station opened in January 1909.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 08/Feb/2022 11:30:57

    Looks like there was a cinema between this hall and the current building, from 1930 to 1996 - cinematreasures.org/theaters/57559

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Feb/2022 11:31:44

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia That matches the aerial shot.

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    John Spooner

    • 08/Feb/2022 11:33:29

    The earliest mentions in the press: Kerry Evening Post. - Wednesday 17 July 1907

    D Moriarty applied for an occasional for the East Avenue Hall of entertainment. They had got from the bench a licence for a music and entertainment hall, and then due course they applied for an excise licence. They had applied to Somerset House, and in meantime they wanted occasional licence for this week. Chairman said the majority of the beach granted the application for six days.
    Kerry Evening Post. - Wednesday 24 July 1907
    As will be seen by adverlisement a grand variety entertainment will be held in Killarney on Thursday, 25th inst, at the the East Avenue Hall, which is now open. For the convenience of intending visitors a fast train iill leave Tralee at 7 o p m, on Thursday for Killarney returning at 10 45, and arriving witbout stop in Traiee at 11 20 pm. The entertainment will have special attractions, particulars of which will be learned from advertisement.
    "which is now open" suggests recently opened. And in the same 24th July edition Kerry Evening Post. - Wednesday 24 July 1907 So I'd propose a 'from' date of July 1907.

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    John Spooner

    • 08/Feb/2022 11:53:02

    The end came on 20th September 1931, this brief report in the Irish Weekly and Ulster Examiner

    IRISH CINEMA BLAZE. Damage estimated to be £10,000 was caused by a fire which broke out in the East Avenue Hall, a cinema and ballroom, Killarney. The fire started while an operator was winding a film at the end of the hall. A flame shot out from under the apparatus, and he used his cap in an effort to extinguish it, but in vain. Fire extinguishers were also called into use, without result.
    And in the report in the Belfast Telegraph, "the interior had been newly done up, and a talkie machine had been installed" and "the structure was burned to the ground". The picture being shown was The King of Jazz. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Jazz or for the whole hour and 32 minutes www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_JTOInMEuQ

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 08/Feb/2022 12:10:32

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Always knew that jazz was hot stuff!! It's okay, I'll go back to sleep!

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    John Spooner

    • 08/Feb/2022 12:18:51

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland On the occasion of the opening of a cinema in Killarney in 1997, the Kerryman delved in to the history of the East Avenue site. The replacement cinema, the Casino, was built by a Mr Cooper who had owned the hall. He made sure it was built of steel and concrete so wouldn't burn. The first picture shown at the new cinema was ... King of Jazz.

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Feb/2022 14:59:39

    Well at least the mores of the time prevented him from reopening as place of adult entertainment...

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    suckindeesel

    • 08/Feb/2022 20:34:42

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] Perhaps, but this was the very cinema where I saw that potboiler “Helga” youtu.be/fneKOxy9Ir4

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    Flickr

    • 09/Feb/2022 04:15:24

    Congrats on Explore! ⭐ February 8, 2022

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    Brunswick Forge

    • 09/Feb/2022 04:22:50

    📷👍❤This is an excellent addition to today's Explore page.💕 🌟❤ 👍📷 Greetings from southwestern Virginia, USA.💕🌟🎉

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    gato-gato-gato

    • 09/Feb/2022 07:12:54

    Gutes Foto

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    Un jour en France

    • 09/Feb/2022 08:41:57

    Congrats on Explore! 👍🌟!

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    waewduan4

    • 09/Feb/2022 10:59:09

    Congrats...........

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    le cabri

    • 09/Feb/2022 13:53:50

    Perfect

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    incognito7dcv

    • 09/Feb/2022 15:04:12

    Beautiful photograph, nice to see this in Explore! Wishing you a good week ! 🌟💕✨

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    moccasinlanding

    • 09/Feb/2022 15:42:32

    I love the bistro tables and chairs. That style is still made today...in fact, I have two such tables with pairs of chairs on my deck.

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    Felim O

    • 10/Feb/2022 10:30:21

    The cause of the fire sounds like it was from the nitrate film being wound by the operator. Nitrate film was highly flammable. See here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Fox_vault_fire In the mid 1930s cellulose acetate film often called "Safety Film" was introduced to avoid this type of accident.