Dublin United Tramways, Route Nos. 9, 11, 16, Cabra Depot

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A rare visit to the Dublin Trams Collection to see this lovely photograph. When we talk trams and particularly Dublin trams it always surprises me that the network was so extensive. It is a shame that they disappeared in favour of the diesel driven bus. I think it fair to say that it would cost many billions of Euros to replace the network today. I have also just noticed the name of the photographer Mr Camwell, what an appropriate name for a man in his profession.

Photographers: Chiefly, William Arthur Camwell

Collection: Dublin Trams Collection

Date: ca.1884-1963 Most likely 1938

NLI Ref: NPA TRAM39

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    Deirge (Del)

    • 27/Sep/2022 08:28:51

    Excellent photo. Well the trams finished in 1949 so I guess that is approximately the latest date, unless these are preserved examples. From a license viewpoint this is arguably unknown photographer taken more than 70 years ago. There may be some date analysis possible from the route numbers and tram types. I'd love to spend all day research at risk of getting nowhere. Thanks NLI for publishing! 👍

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 27/Sep/2022 08:30:44

    Looks like the poor darlings are blocked in by that girder. Someone will explain, no doubt. According to this 'Photos of Dublin' post on Twitter (2014), it's 1939 - twitter.com/photosofdublin/status/544234780775424000

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    robinparkes

    • 27/Sep/2022 08:43:42

    The tracks appear to be severed.

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    suckindeesel

    • 27/Sep/2022 08:56:27

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Looks like a traverser outside the shop, which moved sideways to change trams into a different bay.

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    suckindeesel

    • 27/Sep/2022 08:56:59

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Parallax Error

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    suckindeesel

    • 27/Sep/2022 09:04:32

    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq It May or may not be 1939, but thereabouts From left to right: #2, built 1896 by Milnes, withdrawn 1940, route 9, which closed 1940 #76, former horse car #96, rebuilt as electric 1896, withdrawn 1937 #157, built 1920 at Spa Rd, withdrawn 1940, route 16, which closed 1939 #142, built 1923, withdrawn 1939, route 11, which closed 1939 So, 1937 onwards looks plausible based on withdrawal dates M. Corcoran’s book says photo is 1938

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    robinparkes

    • 27/Sep/2022 09:07:14

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ I never thought of that. I wonder why I can’t see any tracks leading out from where the trams are.

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    robinparkes

    • 27/Sep/2022 09:10:12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ I can see the tracks in the Twitter photo beachcomber sent the link for.

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    suckindeesel

    • 27/Sep/2022 13:22:39

    ‘Through streets broad and narrow’ by M. Corcoran, p152, dates this photo as 1938. #76 is a traction wagon. Depot was actually near corner of Phibsborough Rd. and Cabra Rd., near Dalymount. Not shown on later 6”, nothing appears to remain on streetview

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    O Mac

    • 27/Sep/2022 14:18:59

    suckindeesel There still is a large shed at the depot site as well as a brick and granite gate post from the tram days. maps.app.goo.gl/epvJfPqNtjEXNKwQ9 flic.kr/p/2nPotmo

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    suckindeesel

    • 27/Sep/2022 17:13:11

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Ballsbridge depot had the only other traverser

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    suckindeesel

    • 27/Sep/2022 17:15:09

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Yes, I see the remains. That end of Dalymount is known as the ‘tramway end’

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    suckindeesel

    • 27/Sep/2022 17:17:58

    The poet Æ wrote: “My eyes behold new majesties; my spirit (soul) greets the trams, the high-built galleons of the street”

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    suckindeesel

    • 27/Sep/2022 20:33:00

    ‘Through streets broad and narrow’ by M. Corcoran, p152, dates this photo as 1938. #76 is a traction wagon. Depot was actually near corner of Phibsborough Rd. and Cabra Rd., near Dalymount. Not shown on later 6”, nothing appears to remain on streetview

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 27/Sep/2022 21:08:33

    Why are the headlamps not in the middle ? Looks like they are watching Mr Camwell and his trusty tripod.

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    suckindeesel

    • 27/Sep/2022 21:36:59

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Yes, the headlight does look slightly offset. Perhaps to match the motorman’s position which may also be offset due to the presence of the stairs? Will now have to look at other tram photos for comparison

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    suckindeesel

    • 27/Sep/2022 21:54:24

    beachcomber australia Had a rethink re lamp. Looking at tram #2, it’s lamp is on the centreline and directly below the route number and destination box on the upper body. What is off centre is the lower vestibule due to the passenger door opening. They could have centred the window frame but this would have resulted in different width glass each side, and more spare parts to stock.