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Where: Munster, Waterford, Ireland
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This is a joy of a photo which was commissioned by Mr. Mathews of Newrath, Waterford in 1922. We want to find the location of the nice house. We want to discover the names of the three people in the garden. But most importantly of all we want to see a streetview of the house with two giant Monkey Puzzle trees in the front garden!
Photographer: A. H. Poole
Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford
Date: 15th September 1922
NLI Ref: POOLEWP 3051
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Photographer: A. H. Poole
Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford
Date: 15th September 1922
NLI Ref: POOLEWP 3051
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The CommonsSource: Flickr Commons
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Inverarra
Our money is on the usual Flickr detectives.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
15 September 1922 was a Friday ... There are two more photos of the happy couple - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000593620 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000593621 It's NOT Newrath House - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000593190
DannyM8
Have they no Dog?
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I'm with you Mike!
John Spooner
In 1949 Mr Edward Matthews of Newrath was a manager at John Egan and Sons, Barronstrand Street. His son Harry had just obtained his Degree in Dental Surgery (which was cause for a couple of paragraphs in Waterford Standard Saturday 29 October 1949). https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Earlier, in 1928, a Mr E Matthews of Newrath was enrolled as a new member of Waterford Kennel Club. (Waterford Standard - Saturday 11 February 1928)
Bernard Healy
I think I have it - but don’t have a Streetview. Hillside maps.app.goo.gl/krNpHtE17EBsAays7?g_st=IC Per his death cert, Edward Matthew (sic) of Hillside, Newrath died aged 84 on 31 Jan 1968. He was a shop-keeper. Hillside appears on the last edition of the 6 inch OS map in the middle of fields, and nowadays seems to be at the end of a private driveway.
DannyM8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ excellent!
Bernard Healy
Marriage Record civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marri.... Feb 22nd 1922, Edward Matthews, Grocer’s Manager, 36 Barronstrand St, Waterford, son of Henry Mathews, Farmer, married Mary Britton of Mullinahone, daughter of Patrick Britton, Farmer at Thurles Cathedral
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] I think you are right Bernard you can see the nearly see the house in this 2009 Streetview But sadly no Monkey Puzzle trees!
O Mac
Bernard Healy Definitely Hillside... That pump in the garden is marked on the old ordinance maps. flic.kr/p/2nS8brx
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Hmmm - not convinced yet about Hillside. The house in the background with two chimney stacks looks like Newrath House - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000591270 . See note.
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] That Edward Matthew(s) would have been born around 1884. Here is a birth record for an Edmond Matthews in Aug 1883, father Henry a farmer in Milltown, near Kilmacow.
Bernard Healy
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I'm not sure I see where your objection lies. As far as I can tell from looking at the maps, there were two buildings known as Newrath or Newrath House. The Newrath House which is currently in the middle of Waterford Golf Course might well show up in a photo of Hillside just as we see in our image.
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These are old links but they do come into their own sometimes A list of the HTML commands which are allowed on Flickr for adding photos, links, editing etc. The NLI Photostream classic view
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I am going to update the map at Hillside, I will change it if more information comes to light.
Bernard Healy
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] The 1911 Census has him in Barrowstrand Street - born in Kilkenny. www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003498413/ Name is Edward Mathews (So that's how he spelled it.) And here he is as part of the Egan Household in Barrowstrand Street in 1901: www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001232693/
Bernard Healy
My best guess at Mary Britton is from the 1901 Census - Mary Britton aged 10, daughter of Patrick Britton of Ballydonnell which is near Mullinahone. www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003887498/ In 1911 she seems to be going by Mabel? www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003365715/ I can't turn up a birth cert for her.
John Spooner
SUDDEN DEATH KLAXXXXXXON we haven't had one for a while Front page of the Waterford Standard on Saturday 25 June 1938
John Spooner
In monkey puzzle news, the Belfast Telegraph - Wednesday 30 December 1925 had a warning for people such as Mr and Mrs Mathews:
Can they live for 100 years? Well, my great-grandfather's employer, the botanist, writer, archaeologist, painter, linguist, soldier, politician etc etc etc Sir Herbert Maxwell had a big estate in SW Scotland. Among his works is a book on trees (available on gutenberg.org) which contains a chapter on the monkeypuzzle. He agreed with the Belfast Telegraph: "I know of no more dismal object in the world of plants than an araucaria stuck down in front of a suburban villa". In his book he doesn't mention his own monkeypuzzle plantation, so he must have planted it after he wrote the book in 1914, but it probably wasn't log after. It is said to be the biggest monkeypuzzle plantation in Britain, and it is thriving. I had a cheeky look round in AugustNational Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Please see my comment on your Columbidae related photo.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner getting back to you re araucaria, a friend of mine living in a house built between 1900 and 1910 here in Dublin has one outside his (ordinary villa). It is enormous, and he thinks it is close to if not over 100 years old. Heavy branches randomly fall and over the years have damaged motor cars. I do not know why he does not cut it down.
Niall McAuley
I think this is the wedding record of Mary's Parents, Patrick Britton and Mary Mulally in 1887.
Niall McAuley
Here is the birth of a Mary Britton to Patrick and Mary née Mulally, but it is in 1900. Maybe they were one of those families that names all the children Mary x Britton or Y Mary Britton?
Niall McAuley
Mary in 1888 William in 1890 Patrick in 1892 Henry 1894 John Joseph 1896 Mary in 1900 Michael 1902 Augustine (!) in 1905 John in 1907 So this could be Mabel or Celia, both christened Mary apparently. But wait! One of the witnesses at the wedding was Celia, so this must be Mabel! The other witness was a William Matthews, and my Edmond has a brother by that name.
Niall McAuley
I suppose the woman sitting at our right could be the other Mary Britton, but I think she looks more like Edward. The Edmond I noted earlier had a sister Anastatia born 1881, Sarah in 1891, and twins Bridget and Margaret in 1893,
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Thanks Niall.
suckindeesel
I remember a fine monkey puzzle tree on my way to the beach as a child, about a hundred years ago Not saying that it’s the same one, but it is the same road Google Earth Link earth.app.goo.gl/RDdo2S #googleearth
silverio10
buenas fotos antiguas .
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
After some medication and a good night's sleep, I am happy with Hillside. Phew!
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] A fine specimen.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Welcome back.
GQSpins
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland how do you look up old Streetviews?
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gavinquinlan Hey Gavin, at top left is a label saying (for example) Newrath Road Co. Kilkenny. At the bottom of that label is a date (Streetview April 2009). If you click there it opens a timeline showing the 3 views available, 2009, 2011, 2022. You can select any of the 3 and click into it. Some less busy areas may not have more than one view.