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Dalkey Town Hall beside the Queens Hotel is the subject of todays image from the ubiquitous Lawrence Collection. The little castle seems to be an unlikely Town Hall but obviously was a good strong structure and was available? I love the bread cart outside the gates and the donkey hoping for a slice or two of bread.
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa 1865 - 1914
NLI Ref: L_ROY_08915
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Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa 1865 - 1914
NLI Ref: L_ROY_08915
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suckindeesel
Johnson Mooney & O’Brien, Bought a horse for one and nine, The horse died. What a crime, Johnson Mooney & O’Brien Dublin skipping rhyme from long ago
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
12:02 - Good afternoon! Clock made by Chancellor, Dublin
suckindeesel
Still there, hotel is now a bar Google Earth Link earth.app.goo.gl/vr6j51 #googleearth The only remaining castle of the original seven
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
The NLI is always amazing! In 1766, from catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000053622 -
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
I'm seeing tram poles and wires, as in ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/dlrlibraries/4178833736/via https://www.flickr.com/photos/dlrlibraries/
O Mac
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] Naa.... There's Archbolds Castle just down the road. maps.app.goo.gl/zFvK33YxS7Vhc7nG8 And another at Bullock Harbour maps.app.goo.gl/ZbcdK9M3LYXazWkq5
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Trams service to Dalkey from 1879, electrified 1896. It was the last to close 1949
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Chancellor & Son Sackville Street Dublin. Early 19th century
suckindeesel
https://flic.kr/p/2hAQPju via MikeofDorset
Niall McAuley
Streetview. NIAH lets us down today.
O Mac
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Howth Tram ran until May 1959.
O Mac
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] Another castle, Duggans, stood here.. maps.app.goo.gl/WYJoUHU4fLPMh2B66
Niall McAuley
The Hotel in the 1911 census, boss is Claire Murphy, 31. I can't make out who is over the door, but I don't think it is C. Murphy. In 1901 we see Rose Gaffney, and it is a public house, not a Hotel. The name over the door looks like maybe D.J. McXXX?
Deirge (Del)
I have a feeling the building is a protected monument. And that means it doesn't come under NIAH nor likely end up with a wikidata item not eligible for the annual Wikimedia Loves Monuments competition as it not on a feed from that place. This document: www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/dalkey_aca... seems to say a little about the Dalkey conservation area of which this is a part. From that document is this perchance the Goat's Tower? I'm sort of interested in Dalkey due to the 1843ish Dún Laoghaire to Dalkey atmospheric 84mph high speed run by TCD Jockey Elrington but Belfield probably should analyse that claim. I'm actually more interested in Pim's batty castle at Monkstown though, and still bemoaning how, after taking seeing 101 bus at Bride's Glen, took a notion to do a visitor's leap on it with little clue where it was going though I recall it said Dalkey and forgetting to photograph Bride's Glen in the process (which no longer seemed quite like the LUAS end of the line in the middle of nowhere). The 101 was an interesting meander which reminded me of droving a single no-mates bovine which will strike off in circles at every opportunity but freakily I had been driving some of streets on google streetmap trying to categorise or coordinate some images a month previously so I was getting some flashbacks but I did manage a snap of Sallynoggin College even if I don't know the etymology. In the end I bailed out at Dún Laoghaire but remain distressed I somehow never found Bailey and Pim through poor preparation and roaming issues denying me the internet and google maps.
Deirge (Del)
Having just loaded this to commons in the process I did note there was a wikidata item for the castle (and a Wiki Loves Monuments ref IE-D-0079 with issues) references for it and also an Irish Sites and Monuments Record ID DU023-023010- which is meant to link to webgis.archaeology.ie/historicenvironment/?SMRS=DU023-023... but essentially doesn't as far as I can tell. I'm in a right 101 spin and should have taken the easy option of seeing a Mary in the centre of Dublin on that day!
Billy Quinn 1954
Johnston, Mooney & O'Brien, Makes (Bakes?) the best bread, bread you can rely on, yes it's Johnstons, Mooney and O'Brien for your favourite family pan... As the song, in the ad, used to go in the fifties and sixties, though I can't find it anywhere...
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Yes, but not a DUTC Dublin tram
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ If you think Bride’s Glen is remote, then have a look at Laughanstown. As Sherlock once said “''Why not? It is as if you met a tram-car coming down a country lane.” - The Adventure of the Bruce-Partington Plans
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ The link leads to the Historic Environment Viewer, you have to find the castle yourself No pictures, but does say “Class: Castle - tower house Townland: DALKEY Scheduled for inclusion in the next revision of the RMP: Yes Description: Situated at the NW side of the junction of Castle Street and White's Villas. The tower house is known as 'Goat's Castle', this urban towerhouse served as the Town Hall and is now Dalkey Castle and Heritage Centre. The tower is built of roughly coursed granite masonry with dressed stone quoins. The tower house is rectangular in plan, three storied with a vault above the ground floor. A projecting stair tower in the SE corner rises above parapet level. The present entrance off Castle Street is a late round-arched opening in the S wall. The original entrance was in the N side where remains of the original staircase survives. A drawing by Beranger dated 1765 shows the present entrance on the S as a damaged, blocked up doorway and another flat-arched entrance on the E side (Harbison 1998, 77). The ground floor chamber is barrel vaultedon an E-W axis. There are floor corbels visible in the upper NE corner wall. The interior is lit by a deeply splayed embrasure in the E and a lower tall, single ope in the SW. A large fireplace has been inserted into the S wall on the first floor. This room was re-modelled as the council chamber with wood panelling (int. dims. L 10.6m; Wth 5.95m). It is lit by double-light windows in the S wall. The second floor has a round-arched window in the W end. A building, which serves as the parish hall has been built up against the N wall. Compiled by: Geraldine Stout and Padraig Clancy Revised upload on: 22 May 2018”
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I like the rhyme.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I went to see "The Banshees of Inisherin" it was excellent! Mary
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Thanks, from my childhood. Only the girls did the skipping, for some reason.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I see a report of a licensing case in the Irish Times of 15th Sept 1908 where it is noted that Mr Daniel Murphy is the proprietor of the Queens Hotel, Dalkey. Could be your name over the door? He was still in situ in April 1928.
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] 11th February 1931 Death of Daniel Murphy at the Queens Hotel, Dalkey
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It's always good to meet up with a Mary. Mary
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mutter_fluffer I remember that, I thought the third line was "that everyone is buying"?
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/mutter_fluffer] Have a listen to this - The Three Bakers - Original Jingle
Billy Quinn 1954
Yes, I had a listen, but it's not how I remember it at all. It's probably the years playing tricks.
nlpnt
Our donkey appears to have been replaced by a Toyota Yaris and an Opel Corsa.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Not to worry, probably just an example of ‘false memory syndrome’
Billy Quinn 1954
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I was much more of a Kennedy's buachaill myself, if the truth be told: K for Kennedy's E for Energy N for Nice N and Nourishing E for Enjoyment D for delicious Y S means Your Satisfied That's Kennedy's Bread
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/mutter_fluffer Here's more Kennedy's Bread for you... https://flic.kr/p/2jn6aoS
Dubris
Slate roofs seem such an obvious place to paint a sign, but the practice seems to have gone out of fashion.
an poc
Having squinted at the inscription over the door I think it reads: D J MURPHY LICENCED FOR THE SALE OF WINE SPIRITS / & BEER FOR CONSUMPTION ON THE PREMISES
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Here is some fun ... Look what Mr French / Lawrence did next! At 12:07 - www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/27302306312/ At 12:06 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000318645 At 12:18 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000318468 At 12:22 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000318469 Then he went to lunch.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ He must have been a quick worker to capture those shots within a few minutes. Anyway, the tram poles and wires are clearly visible in the Town Hall shot, which makes it post 12 July 1898
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ I think your correct with the name
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Agreed, see my post above.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Fast work it is indeed.
O Mac
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Who said anything about the DUTC?? ... the Howth tram was run by CIE-from Oct 1958- and it was CIE who shut it down 10 years after they'd shut the last of the network in '49.. The Howth tram was the last Dublin tram. 😛
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Oh, I know, CIE took over former GNR assets in 1958 following the ending of the inter-governmental agreement of 1953. ‘The Dalkey tram is finished Rathmines and Terenure But daily on the Hill of Howth Hard lines I still endure’ - Irish Press 1949
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I think 12:06 is not in this sequence as tram 272 dates from 1918. However, the other two trams date from 1900 and 1901 which may give a from 1901 date for our castle photo
Deirge (Del)
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I've raised a question at www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P4057#As_of_November_... to see if anyone can work out why that URL is landing me back in Ireland at the place I was last looking at. There's probably a simple solution especially if I asked precisely the right question and then I might get precisely the right answer. Update: A kind person has helped indicate the URL maps.archaeology.ie/HistoricEnvironment/?query=NationalMo... will go direct to the information. Not everything is quite clear to me yet, and may never be.
Niall McAuley
John Daniel Murphy is only 7 weeks old in the 1911 census, and his Ma is only married 1 year. Ah, she was Daniel Murphy's 2nd wife. He gives his address as Castle Street on the 1909 record of their marriage, and is a widower.
Niall McAuley
Here is a Daniel Murphy in 1901, a commercial traveller living on Ardeevin Road, Dalkey, a few minutes walk away. Right age to be the one who dies in 1931. Wife Norah is 38 and alive. I think this may be him in 1911, commercially travelling in Tralee. He is the right age, born in Cork, married 1 year with 1 living child.
Niall McAuley
I think Daniel may not help with dating, I just noticed that the Manageress in 1901, Rose Gaffney, is still there and still manageress in 1911, she is just not Head of Household anymore because Claire married the owner/licensee.
Dún Laoghaire Micheál
Although claimed to have been established earlier by some locals, the "Queens" was opened as a seemingly new hotel in that name in Nov 1842, under the management of George Beare, late proprietor of the Gresham. (Dublin Monitor 21 Nov 1842)