Patrick Street, Cork would be the finest street in the land if they only took the bend out of it!

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I know that many of you are going to say "But we've been here beffore, many times!" and it is true but look at the scene and the quality of detail thanks to the Imperial Plate? If the Reverend gentleman on the upper deck of tram 13 was turned the other way you could almost read the missal he has in his hands. Cork is always worth a visit not least for the opportunity to call in to Hadji Bey's for some of the best Turkish Delight you can get anywhere!!!

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1865 - 1914

NLI Ref: L_IMP_0588

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 04/Jan/2023 09:16:00

    12:06 - the lunch time rush !

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 04/Jan/2023 09:36:12

    Mr French / Lawrence went 'round the bend' with the neighbouring photo. Somebody clever might be able to work out which building he was up ... L_IMP_0589 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000329836 Edit: the other photo includes some White Star shipping posters which may help with dating. Edit 2 - And a clock showing 13:32.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 04/Jan/2023 09:53:50

    Flickr is sometimes amazingly colourful! Via https://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/4427439354/

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 04/Jan/2023 10:31:25

    This is a very sharp and detailed photo. Quite a camera operator, way back when. What might be interesting to learn is what camera the photographer used.

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    suckindeesel

    • 04/Jan/2023 10:46:20

    1899 onwards according to the tram numbers

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    nlpnt

    • 04/Jan/2023 15:41:26

    GSV; www.google.com/maps/@51.898581,-8.4718421,3a,75y,228.02h,... I have to keep reminding myself that "Penneys" is Primark, unrelated to the American JC Penney. I'm surprised the Nissan Leaf has the range to be a profitable taxi. Too many double-decker buses to see much of what's going on further up the street - it looks like there are gates to pedestrianize the street part-time but surely Google can make arrangements for a pass with it open before the buses start running?

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    suckindeesel

    • 04/Jan/2023 16:59:52

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ No gates that I’m aware of, just those hanging over lamp standards. Google has no special privileges re their camera car, try looking at many German street views to see what I mean. Some Leaf models have a 62KWH battery, which would give some range, unlike the original 24KWH model

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    suckindeesel

    • 04/Jan/2023 17:07:39

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Penneys is Primark in Ireland. This is due to an unsuccessful Irish legal action brought by the American pretender claiming ownership of the name. So Penneys kept their name locally but renamed abroad. Sort of like McDonalds v Supermac, this one filed completely.

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    suckindeesel

    • 04/Jan/2023 17:56:05

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Camera may have been like one of these https://flic.kr/p/2141Yso Plate size would be many multiples of the puny size of 35mm film or 4/3 digital. This results in a much higher resolution than modern cameras. You can see this when comparing Lawrence to any later snappers, which all seem blurry by comparison. “The earliest cameras produced in significant numbers were plate cameras, using sensitized glass plates. Light entered a lens mounted on a lens board which was separated from the plate by extendible bellows. There were simple box cameras for glass plates but also single-lens reflex cameras with interchangeable lenses and even for color photography (Autochrome Lumière). Many of these cameras had controls to raise, lower, and tilt the lens forwards or backward to control perspective. Focusing of these plate cameras was by the use of a ground glass screen at the point of focus. Because lens design only allowed rather small aperture lenses, the image on the ground glass screen was faint and most photographers had a dark cloth to cover their heads to allow focusing and composition to be carried out more easily. When focus and composition were satisfactory, the ground glass screen was removed, and a sensitized plate was put in its place protected by a dark slide. To make the exposure, the dark slide was carefully slid out and the shutter opened, and then closed and the dark slide replaced.” - Wikipedia

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 04/Jan/2023 19:11:37

    I have been meaning to ask: did Mr French need separate box cameras for Imperial / Royal / Cabinet size glass plates? Or could a camera adapt to the different sizes? Btw - same day (poster on the bridge), nearly an hour later at 12:59, Cabinet size - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000339139 There is probably a Royal plate too ... EDIT: Here is the Royal size (at 12:54) - L_ROY_01921 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000324280

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    suckindeesel

    • 04/Jan/2023 20:44:53

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Don’t know if changing camera was required, but I’d say lenses of different focal lengths were used for each plate size. Image would be upside down on the focusing screen, dim due to small aperture lenses hence the black cloth over the image, how difficult was that? No enlargers in those times and prints were all contact prints, i.e. same size as plate. An interesting topic mostly lost to time. However, still some workers using plate cameras, particularly for architectural and nature shots. Cameras had the ability to tilt the lens to correct for converging verticals in building shots. It’s perfectly possible for an enthusiast to make their own plate camera, although supplies might be difficult to obtain. I understand that astronomical shots were taken using plates up to the 1990s due to their high resolution.

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    suckindeesel

    • 04/Jan/2023 22:45:28

    https://flic.kr/p/2o9L8hP Must be from Montenotte

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 05/Jan/2023 03:53:14

    quite a few parasols or umbrellas, and wow the details on the signs, you can read the saloon sign allllll the way in the back

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 05/Jan/2023 03:56:45

    and the clock I've noted above appears to show noon! maybe 1 o'clock

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 05/Jan/2023 05:46:13

    The parasols, short shadows near noon, and evidence of water spraying to keep the dust down, all suggest near the summer solstice, late June / early July. But which year ?!

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 05/Jan/2023 06:08:24

    L_IMP_3918 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000327108 - is the same sunny day from the same high perch. Also discussed previously in its Royal size (it's getting very complicated) - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/50704616273/]

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 05/Jan/2023 06:33:33

    It gets more complicated - L_CAB_04833 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000335557 - seems to be a Cabinet size cropped COPY of today's image. My brain hurts, and I give up! EDIT: "Mr Eblana" liked it enough to copy too! - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000561391 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000561179

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 05/Jan/2023 08:36:14

    www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Thanks, for all that explanation . . . Just image how much more amazing the above photo would be if he had used a Nikon D3x or D3s with an Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm, 85mm f/1.4D, 300mm f/4.0D, and many others. I have about 25 to 32 of the best lenses that Nikon ever made.

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    suckindeesel

    • 05/Jan/2023 11:05:50

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] This article discusses the resolution of historic glass plates, you might be surprised hubicka.blogspot.com/2016/04/resolution-of-historic-photo...