Cooke's Centenary Church, Belfast
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A solid looking, architectural hodge podge of a church on an Imperial Plate from the Lawrence Collection for todays image. Interesting that it is described as "Cooke's Centenary Church" rather than by a name such as Saint Cooke or the Cooke Baptist Church? There is surely a story behind that?
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa May 1892 - 1905
NLI Ref: L_IMP_2680
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Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa May 1892 - 1905
NLI Ref: L_IMP_2680
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O Mac
One of the belfrys has gone missing since. Streetview... Ormeau Rd. maps.app.goo.gl/XiE9eJeAuTgJSs229
John Spooner
The Cooke in question was the Rev. Henry Cooke, D.D., L.L.D, and the foundation stone was laid on 11th May 1888 (the centenary of his birth) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Cooke_(minister) Edit: it was proposed to lay the foundation stone on that date, but there is no account of it happening.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 Interesting, I wonder what happened to it?
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner It looks quite newish, any idea when the builders finished the building?
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
In 2017 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/ditissuzanne/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/ditissuzanne/34449303586/ And from 2007 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/david_waddell/ "Give the Devil an inch & He'll be your ruler" https://www.flickr.com/photos/david_waddell/1203713791/
O Mac
Church opened 1st May 1892. www.dia.ie/works/view/46022/CO.+ANTRIM%2C+BELFAST%2C+ORME...
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Good pun!
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Belfast News-Letter - Monday 2 May 1892:
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/47290943@N03/ I think it’s Presbyterian
suckindeesel
The adjacent Macmillan Hall has still to be built, any date on the Hall? Shown on the 3rd edition, 1900 - 1907, as a school
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner earliest date in the range changed. Thank you.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 That would give a good date range.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
There is a Royal plate from a slightly different angle showing cobblestones and tramlines (and horse apples) in the foreground. Not sure they are there in today's photo. See - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000322974 Ed. - And a Cabinet plate - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000334752 And that condensed script titling again ...
O Mac
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq No sign of catenary wires. The Belfast tram system was electrified in 1905. suggest date range 1892 ... 1905
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03] Might have been the lines for one of these beasts, except for the horse apple evidence - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/47290943@N03/5782260798] catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000338149
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 done.
O Mac
http://www.flickr.com/photos/47290943@N03/ re; your parish...John William Fennell, the architect of the church, was an unsuccessful candidate for the design of the National Museum on Kildare St... just as well..considering the above. .
Bernard Healy
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] Laid in 1890, per the archives of the Newsletter: www.newsletter.co.uk/heritage-and-retro/retro/through-the...
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy Looking back at the article which mentioned the 1888 date, it seems I misinterpreted a fanciful suggestion as a concrete proposal.
robinparkes
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia That's Chichester Park on the Antrim Road in Belfast. It was the only road to have a steam tram. I lived only a half mile further down the road.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
https://www.flickr.com/photos/13073434@N03 or anyone - Do you know when the horse tramway was built in Ormeau Road? I get lost in superfluous and irrelevant detail. (And I am watching 'Queen Charlotte' on Netflix!).
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Not steam anyway “ On 30 June 1877 a Henry Hughes and Company steam tram engine "The Pioneer" was tried on the Belfast system. Despite the trial proving successful with no smoke or noise emitted and no horses being frightened, official permission to operate steam services was not forthcoming.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_Street_Tramways
robinparkes
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia The system started in 1872. That's as close as I can get.
Niall McAuley
Fennell, the architect, also designed the Mater Infirmorum in Belfast, which we have seen before:
Niall McAuley
Here he is with wife Arabella in the 1901 census.
suckindeesel
This looks like the missing school next door CO. ANTRIM, BELFAST, PARK ROAD, COOKE CENTENARY CHURCH SCHOOL. 1901 www.dia.ie/works/view/62555/CO.+ANTRIM%2C+BELFAST%2C+PARK... This narrows it down to 1892 - 1901
Deirge (Del)
Thanks to everyone here & NLI for this. I've been able to copy the image across to Wikimedia Commons.😄 From the buildings location on the HI DfC Historic Environment Map Viewer I've determined the NI DfC HB ref# is HB26/02/001 and identified The DfC document on its history.😄 From the Wikidata Item I created for the Church I've been able to stand up a Wikidata Infobox on the commons category page for the church.😄 I've also noted this this DoIA bio and I've created a Wikidata item for Fennel ; someone might put an article on the English or Gaeilge Wikipedia for him at some point.😄 The problem I have with with the NI DfC HB ref# is I can't use it to form a URL to reference other information as the URL required seems to use another candidate key for the building. In this case it is 2537, which I suspect is only permanent in the medium term and I have no reasonable sustainable automatic way to map 2537 to HB26/02/001. 😭😭😭😭
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/196366907@N03] Wow, that DfC historical map viewer looks to be a brilliant resource!