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Where: Munster, Limerick, Ireland
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A lovely view of Foynes in County Limerick from the heights above with the whiff of war in the background in the form of a huge battle cruiser. I suspect that we have been nearby on the same date in the past but this view of the area is so much more sylvan and attractive?
My title comes from a song that a returned Yank used to sing at family parties.
Oh where the Shannon river flows,
There I shall repose,
In the land of the shillelaghs
With some shamrock neath my nose...
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa 1865 - 1914
NLI Ref: L_ROY_04271
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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My title comes from a song that a returned Yank used to sing at family parties.
Oh where the Shannon river flows,
There I shall repose,
In the land of the shillelaghs
With some shamrock neath my nose...
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa 1865 - 1914
NLI Ref: L_ROY_04271
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The CommonsSource: Flickr Commons
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Niall McAuley
Battleship, not cruiser:
Last time we guessed 1905.
The ships seen are 2 of the 6 Duncan class battleships,
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Trifecta again! Spot the differences ! - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000328124 (Imperial) catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000322342 (Royal, this photo) catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000334064 (Cabinet)
Niall McAuley
I can't get an equivalent streetview so far... Here is a streetview from the road below, with the house.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/30369211@N00/ The Channel Fleet? We’ve seen them before?
O Mac
Streetview.... maps.app.goo.gl/ZieWZ4Eyjkxwj7hX9 House is Ardanoir House built 1870's on 25" osi. flic.kr/p/2oL6CDg www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/21829...
Wendy:
Super image!
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Correction - the Imperial and Cabinet plates were taken years (?) earlier. See the details of that large house's garden, no greenhouse, etc.
Niall McAuley
The house is named Ardanoir on the 25". Ardanoir (Golden Height), a detached two-storey house, built c1870. Home of Charlotte Grace O’Brien, a famous Limerick poet and humanitarian, it also provided accommodation for dignitaries and VIP’s who stopped over in Foynes en-route to Europe and America by seaplane in the 1930s & 1940s
O Mac
Another with the SS Mermaid steaming out of Foynes catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000328124
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Charlotte Grace O'Brien's (1845 - 1909) fascinating story - www.elisarolle.com/queerplaces/ch-d-e/Charlotte%20Grace%2... Ed. wiki - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Grace_O%27Brien
michael-otto-foto
SPECIAL AWARD ★★★★★ 5 stars for your photo... Seen in:..Flickr Hall of Fame
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John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia The 'notable piece' (4th para) she wrote for the Pall Mall Gazette was actually Horrors of an Emigrant Ship (not 'Immigrant'). No wonder I couldn't find it at first.
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O Mac
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/32162360@N00/] If Charlotte is a daughter of William Smith O'Brien you must be related to her too?? ... as your comments from 10 years ago would suggest. Cousins? flic.kr/p/eQH8XU
Niall McAuley
Nearby:
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 Yes, a cousin four or five times removed! Hence my interest in her and this delightful house. Hoping to spot her pottering in her beloved garden. Those fiddly formal flower beds in the older photos ...
Niall McAuley
L_ROY_04267, also nearby, shows the paddle steamer Mermaid. Hard to link Facebook page suggests she was on the estuary from 1877 to 1903.
Niall McAuley
OK, not grouped by date: L_ROY_04266 has years more creeper growth than 4268 above.
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Nearby L_ROY_04269 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000322340 - shows the hill and cross where Mr French had his trusty tripod. The NIAH has the Spring Rice Monument cross as "c. 1900" which is, as usual, too vague. Anyone have a better idea? www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/21829...
John Spooner
For [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] and anyone else who's interested, her article Horrors of an Emigrant Ship can be read in three (short) instalments Part 1 Part 2 and Part 3
Niall McAuley
Charlotte Grace O'Brien in the 1901 census, she is 55. Record of her death in 1909 aged 63, occupation "Authoress etc" I think this is the household in 1911, Neilí Ní Bhriain, given as Ellen O'Brien on form B1. Mention of probate granted to Ellen L. O'Brien, spinster, in August in the Calendar of Wills, effects £3,808 9s 4d. About 100 times that value now, £372,626 sterling, or €431,000 in todays money.
Niall McAuley
Ellen Lucy was Charlotte's niece, eldest daughter of her eldest sibling Edward William O'Brien, who also died in 1909.
Niall McAuley
Ellen Lucy was living alone on Mount Street in Dublin in 1901, occupation Artist, Painting At the above linked Dictionary of Irish Biography we learn: As a child she spent two years (1866–8) living in the French Riviera with her sick mother until the latter's death from tuberculosis, whereupon she and her siblings were raised by her aunt Charlotte O'Brien (qv), a nationalist and writer. But not in this house. At Charlottes DIB entry: She then returned to Cahirmoyle, then her brother Edward’s home, and from the death of his wife in 1868 until 1878 cared for his children. She then moved into a little house near Mount Trenchard on the Shannon. Ardanoir is the "little house".
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32162360@N00/ Extraordinary woman!
suckindeesel
https://flic.kr/p/dWycat HMS Duncan of the Duncan class battleship
suckindeesel
I wonder if the shot was taken from the vantage point of the Spring Rice Monument? None of the local roads offer the same viewpoint.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 I thought that that vantage point was obvious one and so I gave it as the location on the map!
suckindeesel
National Library of Ireland on The Commons Top O’ the Morning to you too youtu.be/ziIh7sBeP6o
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We know that Mr French went up to the Spring Rice Memorial Cross at least twice, because of the Imperial and Cabinet plate versions listed above, which show extensive formal flower beds. Here, via ebay, is the Imperial plate - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000328124 - colourised as a postcard, and posted in October 1905, ie the earlier visit was before 1905 -
via - www.ebay.com/itm/134573006188?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mk...
soilse
https://www.flickr.com/photos/47290943@N03/ A lovely image. That’s a substantial house and garden, although it was described as ‘a small house’! How did the family make their money?
soilse
It must have rankled with an Irish nationalist to see British battleships anchored on the river when she opened her curtains in the morning.
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Likewise Mr French took two views of Foynes from up at the cross - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000041864 (earlier, no De Vere monument) catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000328127 (later with De Vere monument) De Vere - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_de_Vere - died in November 1904, and his memorial would have taken 'a while' to happen. Visited before - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/5260848344/] All of which is a long-winded way of saying today's photo is after 1904. If we knew the exact dates of both memorials ...
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[Aside] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_de_Vere - Sir Stephen Edward De Vere (1812 - 1904) was also an interesting character. Amongst other achievements, he campaigned for the welfare of emigrants/immigrants in the 1840s, several decades before Charlotte Grace O'Brien. They were near neighbours, and I imagine best friends for all their many similarities. Mr French photographed his similar house on Foynes Island - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000251298 - which was also colourised and sent as a postcard in October 1903 (ie original photo was the earlier visit, before 1903).
via ebay - www.ebay.com/itm/134575730404?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mk...
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