O Mac

• 04/Aug/2023 07:59:42

Streetview...of what was once the Murphy's Atlantic Hotel, Tramore. maps.app.goo.gl/QwYb4foxPZBzQA9r6 flic.kr/p/2oTDPq4

Wendy:

• 04/Aug/2023 08:34:09

Yes the gauntlets are unusual---at least they look comparatively happy!!

DannyM8

• 04/Aug/2023 08:53:20

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34305619@N06/ Gauntletorific!!

DannyM8

• 04/Aug/2023 08:56:53

Hydrangea in flower suggests July or August.

suckindeesel

• 04/Aug/2023 08:59:20

[https://www.flickr.com/photos/47290943@N03/] Is this in your collection? Poole c.1936 [https://flic.kr/p/2oTyHjR] www.waterfordmuseum.ie/exhibit/web/DisplayPrintableImage/...

CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

• 04/Aug/2023 11:13:36

www.flickr.com/photos/lizinitaly/ It's the weather they were made to pose for this photo. Notice the thick woolen suits and the perfectly positioned/seated lady with the flowers that look like part of her hat. Clever Poole.

suckindeesel

• 04/Aug/2023 19:40:00

There was a Martin Murphy, age 49, hotel proprietor, living in Tramore in the 1911. The hotel was known as Murphy’s Atlantic Hotel, probably to distinguish it from Shalloe’s Atlantic Hotel, also in Tramore. But do the dates make any sense?

John Spooner

• 05/Aug/2023 14:01:16

[https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04] In 1941 the proprietor of the Ossory Hotel in Tramore was a Martin Murphy. (Waterford Standard - Saturday 09 August 1941) Is he the son of the 1911 one? I think this was his second marriage. Annie Murphie, wife of Martin Murphy, died at the Ossory Hotel in October 1940. ( Waterford Standard - Saturday 26 October 1940) In 1933 on reporting the death of a Dr O'Reilly " He was nursed through an arduous illness by his wife, who is a daughter of the late Mr. Martin Murphy, Grand Hotel, Tramore" And in 1929

There is a touch of romance about the Traniore im-etiiig. which has the distinction of being the only four-days’ fixture in Ireland. Its popularity is entirely due to the efforts of a remarkable personality, the late Martin Murphy, a one-time member of Parliament for Waterford constituency, who was regarded locally a power unto himself where Tramore and all things concerned with the seaside were concerned. laid out race course the edge of the coast, built palatial hotel and just when success had reached the “peak" point the tide turned in more senses than one. for the sea began to make inroads, and had the mortification of seeing his racecourse slowly but surely submerged. The end of “Martin Murphy’s Margate" seemed assured, but the great man was not half bet," as they say locally, and he determined that the town should possess race course all costs. He chose the local golf course, enclosed it, laid out running track its borders, erected a modern grand stand, and within a few years all was well again. He passed away before he could enjoy the full fruits of his enterprise and determination.

John Spooner

• 05/Aug/2023 14:17:36

Martin Murphy gave up the licence of the Ossory Hotel in 1945. Did he then retire to Grange, Piltown?

John Spooner

• 05/Aug/2023 14:27:44

This article on Martin Joseph Murphy, J.P. and proprietor of the Grand Hotel contains the text

By curious coincidence, Tramore had recently acquired a near-namesake, Martin P. Murphy, as another hotel keeper. In 1910, he successfully raised subscriptions to pay for public benches at the Strand.

John Spooner

• 05/Aug/2023 14:44:17

The article has a footnote on Martin P. Murphy (Ossory Hotel)

Martin P. Murphy energetically promoted the Ossory Hotel, with advertising slogans such as "Insure against unhappy holidays". The claim that the Ossory was one minute's walk from the station, baths and beach was a massive exaggeration. "Central, Comfortable, and Up-to-Date", was probably fair enough, but "Dissatisfied Clients are as rare as Halley's Comet" was surely reckless. (Halley's Comet, which appeared every 75 years, had been dramatically visible in the night sky earlier in 1910.) The Ossory Hotel stood at the corner of Strand Street and Queen Street: the most likely building is now (2018) a bistro. Visitor lists in the local press indicate that it contained only a handful of rooms. Targeted at cyclists, it probably operated as what would now be called a budget hotel. The 1911 census records the 39 year-old Martin P. Murphy was a Kilkenny man, like his namesake. While it is possible that he was a relative working in loose association with Martin J. Murphy, he was not named among family mourners in reports of the latter's funeral. Independent (Dublin), 31 August 1910, 6 July 1911; Kilkenny People, 15 July 1911. Ill health forced him to give up the Ossory Hotel in 1945. Independent, 16 June 1945.

suckindeesel

• 05/Aug/2023 17:10:15

John Spooner Good work! The only thing I’m sure of is that there were two Tramore hotels called ‘Atlantic’ [https://flic.kr/p/2oTTUBq] From the June ‘37 issue of ‘Irish Travel’, the magazine of our old friends the ITA arrow.tudublin.ie/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?filename=7&arti...

suckindeesel

• 05/Aug/2023 18:03:21

https://www.flickr.com/photos/29809546@N00/ May ‘41 is the last listing of ‘Murphy’s Atlantic’ in the magazine ‘Irish Travel’. Presumably our photo predates this date?

National Library of Ireland on The Commons

• 05/Aug/2023 22:31:18

https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 Great work, thanks. Mary

suckindeesel

• 05/Aug/2023 22:43:39

Our hotel is now called ‘Atlantic House’ and is used as a Direct Provision Centre for refugees. www.hotpress.com/opinion/coronavirus-outbreak-in-waterfor...

John Spooner

• 06/Aug/2023 05:53:35

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland My conclusions from the above about Tramore (1900-1950) are: (a) Too many hotels called Atlantic (b) Too many hoteliers called Murphy (c) Too many Murphys called Martin and we are no nearer to identifying the happy couple. And any mention of Tramore raises the question (in my mind at least): Did A. H. Poole really go to Tramore on that fateful Friday in November 1928? Or was it a ruse to put people off the scent?

O Mac

• 06/Aug/2023 09:35:36

What if those above are Martin Murphys own kids. A Martin Murphy also commissioned Poole years earlier to take a photograph of his young family. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000032595 If it is a wedding group surely they would commission the photographer and not the hotelier. Just a wild guess.

suckindeesel

• 06/Aug/2023 18:06:28

Here’s another, Martin J. Murphy JP Although mentioned, no detail of Martin J. or his manageress, did they live elsewhere? A very large lodging house with some unusual staff occupations: hall boy, billiard marker, boots. www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Tramo...

National Library of Ireland on The Commons

• 06/Aug/2023 21:18:45

https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 very plausable.

National Library of Ireland on The Commons

• 06/Aug/2023 21:23:15

https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 Agree there are too many Murphys etc. As to Mr Pooles trip to Tramore in 1928, now, that is a question. I will talk to the other Marys and perhaps we could make it the discussion topic of the day very soon. Does anyone else think this is a good idea?

John Spooner

• 07/Aug/2023 09:23:06

https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 According to the article (mentioned above) on Martin J Murphy MP, JP of the Grand Hotel, Miss Agnes Maud Flannery ('Manager to Head of Family') eventually became Mrs Murphy.

When fifty hungry members of the Waterford Young Men's Catholic Society arrived at the Grand Hotel one day in 1904 after a walking race from the city, a local newspaper gave "great credit" to Murphy "and his capable manageress, Miss A. Flannery" for handling the catering.95 There was a local tradition that Agnes Maud Flannery had originally come to Tramore to work as a governess for the Murphy children (plausible enough, since she had been educated at the Ursuline Convent in Thurles), but that he recognised "her eminent business capabilities" and asked her to run the hotel. Agnes Maud Flannery was 36 at the time of the 1911 census, information we can trust since she compiled and signed the return. This means she was still in her late twenties when Murphy appointed her to run his hotel, a responsibility that involved dealing with much older members of staff. She gave her county of birth as Sligo, although an obituary notice in 1928 described her as a native of Churchtown in County Cork. In 1914, several years after the death of his first wife, she would marry her employer.96

John Spooner

• 07/Aug/2023 09:28:47

And more on his family and the 1911 census:

In April 1908, his wife Katie died.121 Seven children had been born to the couple, but two had died young. The family lived in Church Road, Tramore, close to the Grand Hotel. Katie was listed as "Housekeeper" in the 1901 census, which suggests that she helped to run both establishments. In 1911, their two sons, 21 year-old Michael and 20 year-old Thomas, were both still in full-time education, possibly attending one of the colleges of the new National University of Ireland – definitely a sign of an upper middle-class family, since third-level education was confined to a very small segment of society. This privilege was not accorded to their eldest daughter, Annie, who may have been Michael's twin sister, but the reported earlier appointment of Agnes Flannery as a governess suggests that her education was not totally neglected. However, in 1911, there was no resident governess for 16 year-old May or 11 year-old Kitty, probably because it would have seemed inappropriate for a young lady to live under the same roof as a widower.

Niall McAuley

• 08/Aug/2023 15:46:16

Next pic in the Poole catalog is POOLEWP 4155 dated 11 August 1936. Paging back, the first dated shot I see is POOLEWP 4147, 1 July 1936

Niall McAuley

• 08/Aug/2023 16:06:32

The shot just before this in the catalogue is POOLEWP 4153, Large wedding group : commissioned by Mr. Martin Murphy, Grange, Piltown, Co. Kilkenny, with the same couple at the centre and the witnesses seen here sitting either side in the crowd, so definitely a wedding. The only Murphy wedding I see in the records anywhere close to those dates is Ellen Murphy marrying Patrick Rellis. Ellen's father Patrick is given as Deceased, so he is not the Martin mentioned. Witnesses are Bridget Murphy and Martin Rellis. If this is them and they are brother/sister, i would guess from the pic that Bridget is younger than Ellen, Martin older than Patrick. Probably the Rellis family in 1911. Here is the death of Patrick Murphy, Gracedieu rd, railwayman, aged 42 in 1934. This is probably him in 1911 census, aged 19 and a railway fireman, still on Gracedieu rd. No sign of a Martin still.