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As always I am open to correction, but I do not believe we have ever had a photo from Lisnaskea in County Fermanagh before. I must say it is not one of Lawrences best ever photos, I think I would only give them 8 out of 10 for this effort.
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa1880 -1905 - 1910
NLI Ref: L_ROY_08349
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Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa
NLI Ref: L_ROY_08349
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It is a pity we cannot read the posters on the left.
suckindeesel
Much changed in appearance Google Earth Link earth.app.goo.gl/nQdzKV #googleearth
suckindeesel
Less a square than a branch in the road. No cars, telegraph poles, so very early. Building on left is likely Town Hall and Courthouse.
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Reverse-ish view same day
(?)- catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000318968ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
The Post Office does not seem to have a telegraph / phone wire connection (yet).
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And another same day reverse-ish view from the right hand street - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000041554
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/32162360@N00/] No wires in this much later Eason either catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000557895
suckindeesel
A modern view from the Lawrence Photographic Project 190/91 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000354742
Niall McAuley
RIC man in a forage cap - after 1900
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia That reverse view L_ROY_08348 has ladies in giant flat hats - nearer 1910 than 1900 I think.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/30369211@N00/ That view has a PO, but so has ours https://flic.kr/p/2oVCwwF
Niall McAuley
There are McNultys next to the Post Office in both 1901 and 1911 - Mary and Annie, shopkeeper/grocers/ both single, in their 50s/60s. If i check, I will probably find C. McNulty was their father.
Niall McAuley
There is a James Armstrong, Hardware etc. in 1911, but not next to the McNultys. He is only 30. I think he is recorded as Jame A Armstron in 1901, a grocers assistant. Wait, he married between the two censuses... Not much help, it records him as a Merchant in 1904, suggesting he had opened a shop by then, but just gives his address as Lisnaskea.
Niall McAuley
C. McNulty is Catherine, Mary's mother, who died at 71 in 1898, occupation Widow of a Grocer.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/proni/] has a couple of photos of the Gardiners (?) of Lisnaskea in April 1910. They need some tlc. I wonder if they are lurking in today's photo? [https://www.flickr.com/photos/proni/6026127750/] William Gardiner was a grocer according to this useful 1910 list - www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Lisnaskea.php
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 In the reverso, two doors beyong Armstrong, I see A. Maguire - recorded in 1911, Anne Maguire, shopkeeper and Widow. Between McNulty and Maguire in 1911 we have William Gardiner and William Heaney. Beside McNulty in 1901, William J. Hogg, Boat Shop and then Patrick McCaffrey, public house and then Anne Maguire again. Edit - I think I was wrong here, in todays nonreverse view, it appears the shop next to Armstrong begins with N, so not Patrick McCaffrey.
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia P. McCaffrey is gone in that 1910 list. Gardiner appears.
Niall McAuley
McCaffrey is gone in 1907 per the ever-useful Lennon Wylie page transcribed directories.
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Here are the Gardiners in 1911 - should be just the other side of the Post Office from the McNultys (although there is a sqaure there).
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 Look: The Post office has an E. R. sign! Edward was king from January 1901 to May 1910. Even allowing for some delay updating the sign, it confirms the after 1901 date, and suggests not too much later than 1910.
Niall McAuley
What is the device behind the couple at left? It looks like a big bellows on a frame?
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[Aside] via Trove from 1909 - AN UNGALLANT BULL. The jury in the Nisi Prius Court in Dublin have awarded Mrs. Catherine McMahon, of Lisnaskea, Co. Fermanagh, £100 damages for being tossed by a bull, which, it was stated, was a pet of its owner and had a rooted objection to women. See - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/187798910
John Spooner
At a meeting of the Lisnaskea Board of Guardians reported in Donegal Independent on Friday 1 September 1905, Mr Bryson was awarded the contract for supplying to the workhouse oatmeal, Indian meal, American bacon, white bread, brown bread, sugar, coffee, rice, tobacco, paraffin oil and golden syrup. And Mr J Armstrong had to be content with the contract to supply candles.
Niall McAuley
L_ROY_08347, also Lisnaskea Main Street, has a John Masters? shop at right, and a G. Gillan or Gallan at left. George Gallan is in the 1907 and 1910 directory linked above, a watchmaker, but not in 1901 or 1911 census. Masters? could be Masterson, there is a grocer and widow Mary Ann Masterson in 1901 - seesm to be retired in 1911. That shot also includes the 1900 Presbyterian Church. And in the background, the spire of Holy Cross RC church, built from 1902-1907!
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner We should have gone to Lisnaskea at an earlier date, you are all on fire today! Thank you. Mary
John Spooner
Re: the awarding of the contract to J Bryson by the Board of Guardians in 1905, I couldn't help noticing that one of the Guardians awarding the contract to J Bryson was a Mr W Bryson. In 1918 Mr John Bryson, merchant, died, and the Board of Guardians expressed sympathy to his brother William Bryson. Not that I am suggesting for a moment that there was anything underhand going on. By the way, some of the verbatim accounts of the meetings show a distinctly robust style of debate. Fermanagh Herald - Saturday 12 August 1905:
"hoity-toity ways", indeed!
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/30369211@N00/] I think the PO in our photo was the original, the one in the reverse view (c. 1910?) is a later one that survived up to 2011, when it moved to the local Spar. www.impartialreporter.com/news/13856460.relocation-of-pos... The RIC cap indicates 1900 onwards. I wonder if there is a Royal Mail database of PO history, which could help with dating? Suggest date range of 1900 - 1910, unless shown otherwise.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Looks fine to me, I will make the change. Mary
Niall McAuley
L_ROY_08350 of the RC church mentioned earlier shows it is built, but the grounds not yet not landscaped. Opened in 1907.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Will I go for 1907 to 1910?
KenjiB_48
I must reveal a bit about myself here - the "B" in my handle stands for "Bryson" 😅
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/77603809@N02 BRYSON Family History Irish (Donegal): Anglicized form of Gaelic Ó Briosáin, a form of Ó Muirgheasáin (see Morrissey ), altered by association with the Scottish surname Bryson, especially in Derry. Bryson was also used for Breslin in Donegal.
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Church was started in 1902 and is finished here (if not landscaped). I'd say 1905-10 is safe.
John Spooner
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/77603809@N02] More Bryson news from 1905. I assume this is a different John Bryson
*(Donegal Independent - Friday 14 April 1905)
Or possibly not Brysons at all The account of the same proceedings in the Frontier Sentinel names the accused as John Byron, a shoemaker form Newry, and Jane Byron.
KenjiB_48
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Sketchy lot, those Brysons 😄
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Done
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/77603809@N02 Speak up for them Brysons!
KenjiB_48
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Thank you! I believe my Brysons were in Antrim, at least at the turn of the 18th century.