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Where: Leinster, Co Kildare, Ireland
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No soft Homburg, and definitely no top hat for Mr De Valera today. Instead he has donned a fetching pair of dark sunglasses.
Now we don't know where or whose funeral this was, or if indeed, it was a funeral. Might it have been a commemorative event? Also, we'd love confirmation that Margaret Pearse and Tomás Derrig (Ó Deirg) are in this photo too? What band was this? Their insignia looks quite distinctive. And as usual, any and all other information will be gratefully received.
Photographer: Unknown
Collection: Éamon de Valera Photographic Collection
Date: ?
NLI Ref: NPA DEV61
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Now we don't know where or whose funeral this was, or if indeed, it was a funeral. Might it have been a commemorative event? Also, we'd love confirmation that Margaret Pearse and Tomás Derrig (Ó Deirg) are in this photo too? What band was this? Their insignia looks quite distinctive. And as usual, any and all other information will be gratefully received.
Photographer: Unknown
Collection: Éamon de Valera Photographic Collection
Date: ?
NLI Ref: NPA DEV61
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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suckindeesel
Bodenstown?
O Mac
Wolfe Tones grave at Bodenstown catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000355643
suckindeesel
"Republicans, you have come here today to the tomb of Wolfe Tone on a pilgrimage of loyalty. By your presence you proclaim your undiminished attachment to the ideals of Tone, and your unaltered devotion to the cause for which he gave his life. It is your answer to those who would have it believed that the Republic of Ireland is dead and its cause abandoned." - de Valera, Bodenstown 1925
Niall McAuley
Streetview of the graveyard, the Wolfe Tone memorial is on the other side of the ruined church. [Edit} Corrected, thanks [https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03]
Niall McAuley
Trying to find a flickr shot, but many are NSFW with assorted dodgy characters in them.
Niall McAuley
The flagpoles at left in the Streetview are at right in this reverso:
O Mac
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30369211@N00/ Your streetview link has become a statecar link.
Niall McAuley
Per wikipedia: The tomb was restored in 1971. Also: Since 1922 there have been rival parades on different June Sundays due to schisms within Irish republicanism.
Niall McAuley
Here is Margaret Pearse at Bodenstown in 1921 from the RTE satills archive. If that is her at right in todays shot, we are some years after 1921. The mens fashions don't tell us much, but the lady at right with the perm and the jaunty beret is very 1930s Greta Garbo.
Niall McAuley
Did Tomás Derrig wear glasses? If so, he could be the taller man to the right of the buglers. [Edit} yes, he did. Derrig was Minister for Education from 1932.
Niall McAuley
I think the man immediately left of the buglers could be Ernest Blythe, maybe 10 years after that wiki photo.
Niall McAuley
3rd from the left, Hugo Flinn?
Niall McAuley
If it is Margaret Pearse, the photo is before April 1932 when she died. It does not look like here to me: shot in the Pearse Museum
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In 1922 - youtu.be/ucRPPRmUV6E?si=UGD-Bz0Q44FMicnK
DannyM8
Niall McAuley Could it be Margaret Mary Pearse the sister?
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/79549245@N06] Yes, I believe it is!
Niall McAuley
The Cabinet of 1932, I think Dev and Derrig are the only ones in shot.
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Thanks https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03/ for confirming Bodenstown. So https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley/, we can take it this was a June Sunday in the 1930s, thank you. And Margaret Mary Pearse, the daughter, not her mother, Margaret Pearse.
John Spooner
I was wondering about the dark glasses - was it a sunny day? should I look at weather reports from the 1930s? Then I came across this photo with the caption: President Éamon de Valera arriving at Euston, London, en route to Zurich for an eye operation. His eyes are shielded by dark glasses. 5 January 1937
John Spooner
The Derry Journal, reporting on the the trip to Zurich, said he'd had a previous eye operation from Dr Vogt 'last March' i.e. March 1936, and that "When he returned to Dublin in early May the President was obliged to use very dark glasses, but latterly he discarded these for others of a lighter tint" (Derry Journal - Monday 04 January 1937) Which strongly suggests it's the
June 21st 1936June 14th 1936 pilgrimage. The 21st June was the date of the IRA ceremony which never happened (see below)John Spooner
There seems to have been very little press coverage of ceremonial part of the day in 1936, but loads about de Valera banning the IRA, trains being cancelled, a protest demonstration in Dublin which turned ugly (with baton charges ), arrests, and the army being present in great numbers in a 10-mile radius round Bodenstown.
John Spooner
Derry Journal - Monday 15 June 1936
The Belfast News-letter on the same day states that A wreath was laid on the grave and the "Last Post" was sounded . Is that the moment captured in today's photo?National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Could be the Last Post, as I don't think the drummers are doing any drumming. And are they bugles, rather than small trumpets?
Carol Maddock
From De Valera's "own" paper, the Irish Press, 15 June 1936, and it lists Tomás Ó Deirg, Aire Oidechais (Education Minister), and Miss M. Pearse, T.D. as being present.
We need images of the contemporary St. James's Band uniform... :)Carol Maddock
Hold the Back Page!! This photo is on the back page of the Irish Press, on Monday 15 June 1936.
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This drumstick looks blurred to me, suggesting movement or a nervous twitch. The bald guy with glasses looks familiar, as does the taller fellow wearing glasses behind the drummer. I have seen their faces before. Doesn't seem like a funeral, very few are wearing black. De Valera is the only one wearing sunglasses, so maybe his eyes were sensitive or teary.
John Spooner
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] I don't think bugles have those 3 valves. I think these are cornets. It is possible to play the Last Post on a cornet www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hiya16MIIpA
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03 OK, knowing that McEntee is in shot, I think that must be him obscured by the left hand bugler.
Niall McAuley
I cannot see Oscar Traynor, though.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03 Here is MacEntee, can you find him in the photo? https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/52307767743 Ps Well done to you and https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner
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Oscar Traynor - I think that is him behind the hat of the man with the bass drum? https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/7541615018
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We also had the St James's Band in this photo. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/26203288753
Carol Maddock
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I cannot find Sean MacEntee. Have scoured all men for that crinkly hair, but to no avail.
Carol Maddock
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Maybe add notes on our Best Guestimates? Bestimates?
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland OK, I can see it, that could be Traynor. The McEntee pic you show is from 1922, 15 years earlier. He has aged even by the 1932 cabinet shot I linked earlier. Pretty sure it is him behind the left bugler.
Niall McAuley
Could be the then AG Conor Maguire between the two drummers. Was appointed a High Court judge in November that year, not too many photos. The wikipedia article has a portrait, but if it is himself it is years later.
Niall McAuley
I think Cormac Breathnach, a TD at the time and later Lord Mayor of Dublin is behind and to our right of Dev.
Niall McAuley
I think the man in profile beside Margaret Pearse is P.J. Little. Here he is at the back of a group at Government Buildings in 1938.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03 https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Add away as you see fit.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Thank you for the notes. Mary