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Where: Leinster, Dublin City, Ireland
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Westmoreland Street in Dublin hasn't changed that much since Mr. French took this photograph but the transport, the fashion and the lighting has changed dramatically! Lots to see here and lots to speculate on but a freshly baked virtual sticky bun with extra sticky for the first one to spot the origin of our title today!
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa 1900 - 1903
NLI Ref: L_IMP_0487
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Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa 1900 - 1903
NLI Ref: L_IMP_0487
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O Mac
National Library of Ireland on The Commons Why pay more for advertising one's own business. Clever Mr French. The same POV a good few years earlier. and 11 years since Flickr'ed.... frightening!!! flic.kr/p/eHKBio
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 Owen, Tempus fugit! Your bun is on its way to you via the broadband network, as we speak, enjoy.
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The Irish Times time is 11:18 ...
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 It is interesting to see so much new building from the older photo to todays photo. Georgian Dublin was disappearing well before the 1950/1960's.
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J Woodrow & Sons (Firm) Hat manufacturers to HRH the Prince of Wales in 1897. Premises at 42 Cornhill London, with branches in Manchester, Liverpool, Dublin and Glasgow. Their New Zealand agent in 1897 was Charles Hill & Company (Wellington) via - natlib.govt.nz/records/22558291 Can't quite see "Wales" in megazoom. Might imply this is before 1901 when Queen Victoria died.
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The DBC was built in 1901. Evidently there was a branch at the National Library too. Sticky buns on tap! - www.joyceproject.com/notes/080032dbc.htm
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Non VIRTUAL ones I bet.
Niall McAuley
Here is a somewhat later Eason shot. The straight streetlights in todays shot are replaced by swan necked ones, we estimated 1910-16:
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] No Eating in the Reading Room! - goo.gl/maps/NuVodaJ2VS94fcWN9
Niall McAuley
The tall lights and DBC also appear in this Clarke:
Quite Adept
Owww, there’s a time ball on top of Ballast House. portspastpresent.eu/items/show/464
Niall McAuley
The article at archiseek on streetlighting which we have been using for dating for many years says the straight posts were replaced sometime in 1903-1910, but does not say how it knows those dates.
Niall McAuley
This is a really beautiful shot in megazoom.
John Spooner
Robert Stephen and Son were at 1, College Street in 1899. You had to apply to them for shares in the "Irish Figaro" (Irish Independent - Thursday 15 June 1899). They opened an office in Galway in 1904 (Galway Express - Saturday 13 February 1904) By 1915 the firm had moved to 22 Dame Street when "Mr William Stephen, of the office of Robert Stephen and Son, accountants, 22 Dame Street, Dublin, has enlisted in the 7th Batt, Dublin Fusiliers" ( Leinster Reporter - Saturday 30 January 1915)
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/quiteadept Zoe, not only "a time ball" it's "The Time ball"
Niall McAuley
L_IMP_0486 net door in the catalogue is nearby College Green, shows the tall lights and has one horse tram mixed with the electric ones. The wikipedia article on the dublin trams suggests the routes through College Green were all electrified by 1900.
John Spooner
1901 census. Robert is 50, his eldest son David Herbert is 18 and an Accountant's Clerk, William is only 7. Perhaps David Herbert is the 'Son' in the name of the firm, but Robert Stephen and Son were mentioned in 1897 (Irish Independent - Tuesday 27 April 1897), when David Herbert would have been 14, so perhaps not. Perhaps the 'son' is the 1901 father Robert, and the Robert in the name of the firm is his father, and son Robert never bothered to change the name. Just like Basil Spooner and Son, accountants, of Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, which retained the name long after Basil had retired and died
Niall McAuley
Paging the other way in the catalogue, L_IMP_0488 is Stephen's Green with no 1907 Fusiliers Arch.
Quite Adept
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/47290943@N03/] It may be The Time Ball in Dublin but Hull still has one. It is has just been restored (and the modernised mechanism is already broken 😏). maritimehull.co.uk/projects/guildhall-time-ball Hull is just down the road from me, so to me ours is “The Time Ball”
Niall McAuley
The trams in all 3 shots have written boards with Terenure, Dalkey etc. on them. In 1903, the DUTC introduced symbols on the trams to indicate the route for people who could not read.
Niall McAuley
Dublin Bread Company revisited is an L_ROY, dated summer 1900 (before the DBC opened). Todays shot is consistent with that date.
John Spooner
On joining up, William Stephen was 5 ft 5½ in tall, weighed 129 lb, had a fresh complexion, hazel eyes and black hair. He had flu early in 1918 and was later was wounded in action (I can't read the entry except for the word 'thigh'). He was demobbed in 1919.
Niall McAuley
Paging one further in the IMP catalogue is L_IMP_0489, a second Stephens Green shot, and the trams are not electrified, an earlier date. So these are not necessarily all the same period...
John Spooner
I've looked at Lawrence's newspaper adverts from 1890 to 1912 for the price of a dozen cabinet portraits and its always an unwavering 12 bob.
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/quiteadept This time ball made it into Ulysses: Episode VIII, "Lestrogonians": Mr Bloom moved forward, raising his troubled eyes. Think no more about that. After one. Time ball on the ballast office is down. Dunsink time. Fascinating little book that is of sir Robert Ball's. Parallax. I never exactly understood. There's a priest. Could ask him. Par it's Greek: parallel, parallax. Met him pike hoses she called it till I told her about the transmigration. O rocks!
Niall McAuley
Looking at the Eason shot I posted upthread, Clery's looks different to todays shot. Today it is labelled Clery's, in the Eason Imperial Hotel. There are more urns at roof level in the Eason. The DIA says: CO. DUBLIN, DUBLIN, O'CONNELL STREET LOWER, NO. 021-27 (CLERY & CO & IMPERIAL HOTEL) Date: 1902 Nature: Enlargement of premises, comprising reconstruction of Imperial Hotel (Nos. 21 & 22) lately purchased by Clery & Co.
suckindeesel
Thomas Moore’s statue (1857) presiding over the ‘meeting of the waters’ behind him
suckindeesel
Google Earth Link earth.app.goo.gl/Nkkhr5 #googleearth
suckindeesel
Note the ‘time ball’ atop the Ballast Office. I notice it’s in the dropped position, does this contradict the 11.25 time on the clock?
Quite Adept
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04/ both the Greenwich and Hull time balls rise just a few minutes before they are due to fall, so at 11.25 you would expect it to be down. From what I’ve read it seems to be a case of synchronising clocks which maybe weren’t completely reliable at keeping time.
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I am sure the changes were not for the better.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/20451498@N00/ There was also the issue of ‘Dublin Time’ and ‘London Time’ (Greenwich) which differed in those days by 25-minutes. Captains set their chronometers to GMT for navigational purposes.
O Mac
suckindeesel Dublin time was 25 minutes and 21 seconds later than GMT.... :)
suckindeesel
Tram no. 3 with four side windows operated between 1896 and 1912. The Dalkey tram was electrified from 12 July 1898 If that s no. 60 to Haddington Rd., both tram and electrified route date from 12 July 1898 If that distant tram is for Terenure, then electrified 28 August 1899
suckindeesel
The Time Ball and Longitude “a difference of 15° longitude corresponds to a one-hour difference in local time, due to the differing position in relation to the Sun. Comparing local time to an absolute measure of time allows longitude to be determined. Depending on the era, the absolute time might be obtained from a celestial event visible from both locations, such as a lunar eclipse, or from a time signal transmitted by telegraph or radio. The principle is straightforward, but in practice finding a reliable method of determining longitude took centuries and required the effort of some of the greatest scientific minds.” - Wikipedia
suckindeesel
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suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I’ll go for a time period of 1899 (Terenure electric tram) to 1903 (no destination symbols on trams, introduced 1903)
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The shadows are relatively short (for 11:18), implying near the solstice, June/July. And a westerly wind (see vane on top of the time-ball). I wonder if it is the same day in July 1900 as the DBC photo? Does Dublin get an easterly sea-breeze in the afternoon? See 10-year-old discussion about wind, weather, and tides - https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/8574543162/
O Mac
Does anyone know why some tram poles have a white band?
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 Could the white bands mark stops? There seem to be too many of them for that, but given how many routes ran on the tracks, maybe.
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 Yes, 1899-1903 looks good. I'd lean towards 1900 given the DBC shot and the other nearby shot with a mix of electric/horse trams, but we know nearby in the catalogue does not prove nearby in dates.
O Mac
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30369211@N00/ I thought so too but there's no signage on pole to say "Tram Stop" or route etc.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/30369211@N00/ Yes, the DBC narrows it down further, 1900 - 1903
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