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Where: Cork, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1900

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Thought that identifying this market square would be a bit of challenge, but not so.

The square was identified in under 12 hours as the Market Square, Castletownbere, Co. Cork.

This is the second photo from our Fergus O'Connor Collection to have its location established here on our Flickr stream. Brace yourselves for another O'Connor photo at an unknown (for the moment!) location soon!

See the comments below for an example of NLI Flickr detection at its finest... Oh, and while we may not have an exact date (yet!), thanks to Woesinger we know that the market was, and still is, held on the first Thursday of every month.

Date: Circa 1900

NLI Ref.: OCO 2

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Source: Flickr Commons
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    Abaraphobia

    • 01/Mar/2012 11:38:53

    Is it Mitchelstown? www.galteemore.com/images/Market%20Square.jpg

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Mar/2012 12:17:09

    The hills look Kerryesque...

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    Swordscookie

    • 01/Mar/2012 14:42:39

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think Woesinger is right in the notes, that struck me as a tidal area past the last of the houses and the feel I got from it was as http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] says, very Kerryesque. Were they firkins of butter I wonder or barrels of stout? Nice photograph and the keystone image is very unusual.

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    Woesinger

    • 01/Mar/2012 14:58:57

    I've a feeling this is Castletownbere.... Not quite the same viewpoint, but the layout and pub is similar. maps.google.ie/?ll=51.651525,-9.910526&spn=0.007003,0... Corroborating evidence (which is what put me on to Castletownbere) - in 1901, there was a Daniel Moriarty, shopkeeper, living in Castletownbere. On further investigation, he did indeed own a public house. www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Killaconen... Very circumstantial, but the layout of the town, the background and the pub seem to match.

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    Swordscookie

    • 01/Mar/2012 15:06:22

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] That looks very like it alright. The estuary appears closer in the old shot but it looks just right. Is that Kingstons on the left of the picture? Perhaps we can verify it from that? Here's another view that might support your hypothesis? maps.google.ie/?ll=51.651525,-9.910526&spn=0.007003,0...

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    Woesinger

    • 01/Mar/2012 15:18:21

    IF it is Castletownbere, the buildings on the street on the right have changed a bit. The only one that looks unchanged is the three storey. But - the mountains in the background are the same - though they do look far closer in the pic than in Google Street maps: maps.google.ie/?ll=51.651711,-9.908938&spn=0.007003,0... So I'm going to provisionally claim it is the Square in Castletownbere.

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    Woesinger

    • 01/Mar/2012 15:38:41

    And apparently the exact same view in another photo (or a slightly different copy of the same photo)!: www.bhs.ie/heritage/albums/days%20of%20yore/events%20of%2... Shows the other side of the square. Further - this site: www.bearatourism.com/news.html says that the first Thursday of the month is/was the fair day in Castletownbere, so we can probably say it's a Thursday, even if we don't know the month or year.

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    John Spooner

    • 01/Mar/2012 15:39:30

    There was still a Moriarty running a shop in Castletownbere in 1970 when I went there on a family holiday.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Mar/2012 16:00:49

    The writing on the wall of the bar opposite says "...NGTON'S PROVISION something SPIRIT STORE. A search of the 1901 census for the town shows lots of Harringtons. I think it is Castletownbere, and that the bar now called O'Donoghue's was then called Harrington's. Indeed, the very first Harrington I checked was Lizzie Harrington, who gives her occupation as Barmaid! Also, Cork still looks Kerryesque, so there!

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 01/Mar/2012 18:32:30

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/woesinger] Definitely "The Square" at Castletownbere maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,467794,546017,7,9 The photographer could have been at an upstairs window. Swing the Street View around to see the shops. maps.google.ie/maps?q=Castletownbere&hl=en&ll=51....

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/Mar/2012 21:20:01

    I'm speechless! When are you lot [http://www.flickr.com/photos/abaraphobia] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/woesinger] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach] going to stop being astonishing? (Preferably not any time soon) Very happy that this is Castletownbere from all the evidence from maps, census, photos, etc.: Tidal estuary; layout and pub; Daniel Moriarty the shopkeeper/pub owner; hills/mountains in the background; Lizzie Harrington the barmaid; and last but not least, Niall McAuley's persuasive argument that "Cork still looks Kerryesque"! :)

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    guliolopez

    • 01/Mar/2012 22:55:44

    Very well done. Gutted I missed all the sleuthing :)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Mar/2012 18:55:53

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It was a great one alright, but there are plenty more Fergus O'Connor "unknown location" photos to come, so you won't miss out...

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    whatsthatpicture

    • 09/Mar/2012 21:01:07

    "while we may not have an exact date (yet!), thanks to Woesinger we know that the market was, and still is, held on the first Thursday of every month." Surely we can narrow it down even further - there can't be that many candidates around 1900 for a first Thursday of the month when it didn't rain!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/Mar/2012 12:51:45

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture Problem though, James, is that 1900 is very "circa" if you know what I mean...

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    whatsthatpicture

    • 10/Mar/2012 13:44:08

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland that was obviously said in jest, but I was curious so I was having a look to see if there were any further clues. From the names on the shops there is an outside chance that there may be some 'first' and 'last' dates, but in my experience these rarely change so the actual timespan could be huge. The fashions are also very generic here, and mainly men, who are always harder to date. There is one lady to the far left though who looks more well-to-do and fashionable. To my mind she would be just into the 1900s, but I'll have to consult a friend who might be able to help.

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    Abaraphobia

    • 10/Mar/2012 13:46:49

    The lady at the bottom left, using a mobile phone, confuses the matter!? ;)

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    whatsthatpicture

    • 10/Mar/2012 13:52:09

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/abaraphobia Excellent!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/Mar/2012 14:06:17

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/abaraphobia] She may have been calling this chap!

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    Abaraphobia

    • 10/Mar/2012 14:20:22

    More than likely! She must want him to send her a photo of him & Michael Collins!!

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    whatsthatpicture

    • 10/Mar/2012 15:09:44

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] I think this woman is just trying to decide whether to answer the call or not! www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture/5082091278/

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/Mar/2012 15:57:01

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture Fear she's sent some poor beau straight to voicemail...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Feb/2013 16:50:44

    Bug report: the megazoom version of this in the archives is a mirror image with backwards writing!