Try to find the spot where the photographer was standing.
Presumably here: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,660117,611797,7,9
I don't see any Majors.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That's the one, thanks. ofarrl told us a while back that it no longer exists.
Could the Major be the chap in the middle with the mustache? As I recall officers and NCOs had to have facial hair until the 1930s in the army, one man was court marshaled for shaving his off during WW1!
Ok, Captain, but not Major. Still a person of importance
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Damn! Thought the moustachioed chap might be Major Heath, but you say he's a Captain.
1906? Just missed JPG Worlledge, who got his commission in July 1907....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think you may be misremembering something. There's no end of photos of clean-shaven officers from WWI.
Soldiers are listed in the census but there's no Heath in the whole of Waterford, let alone Barrack St.
Many of them even say Royal Artillery (or some variation) and rank instead of just Soldier.
...and now, with spooky baby!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Ah, J.P.G! I love that photo.
In 1911 there'a a Dora Heath, 19, Birthplace London, Nursemaid, Church of England.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I know! That's the one I was going to use, and there's a little kid sticking his head between two of the back row soldiers in that one too. But everything else was much clearer in this one...
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] 1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=83216
Of course 1906 is a bad year to find soldiers in the census. They come and go and most of them are English anyway.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That's not exactly reputable evidence. I'd go with the photos.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Fair enough
Any photos of the 2nd Royal Irish Rifles at NLI?
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Slim pickings by name, e.g.
Second Battalion Royal Irish Rifles, Regimental Football Club, Winners of the Army Cup (sadly not digitised). Have a rummage in our catalogue though, as they may not be so perfectly named...
I know that there are problems with Flickr but this conversation is the most disjointed I have ever seen, reminiscent of the Monty Python sketch where he answers every second question:-(((
http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie :( Hi Sean. The view I always have on the go is Recent Activity, so I see all the comments in order...
It is an interesting shot of the signals detail. The white lanyards are an artillery thing, they were used to trigger the action on the guns. This was taken before the invention of the radio and the methods of signalling on view are "Semaphore" (the flags),, lights for morse code and heliographs using the reflections of the sun! The captain doesn't look like he's in a good mood, does he?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Just had a fascinating prowl around the catalogue!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie Thanks! Nice crop of tags. And no, the captain doesn't look very happy. Mind you, the others don't either. Maybe they were putting on their serious, having our photographs taken, faces...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] So that's what all the banging and clanking was about! :)
I could be completely wrong but this looks more like the Infantry Barracks, possibly by the wall along Green Street. Great photo by the way.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] The Curse of the Waterford Barracks lives on! Paul, I was so proud of remembering your comment about the Artillery Barracks being at the corner of Cannon Street and Blakes Lane.
I was very impressed Carol. Will have to take a closer look when I get home, just started work out here on the left coast unfortunately.
If it's the infantry barracks, it more or less matches the map looking south here beside the entrance: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,660223,612073,7,9
Are the trees behind the wall a sign that it's near the grave yard in the artillery barracks? Trees are generally marked on the 25" and there's none around the infantry barracks.
Looking again at the flags there are two kinds of semaphore flags on display! The short flags that are stacked are for the form where different positions were used for different letters. The sender always stood with his back to the receiver to avoid any confusion about right and left! The other long flags being held by the men seated on the ground and those at either end of the back row were used for morse code where a long overhead sweep was a dash and a shorter sweep to one side was a dot. So SOS was three short sweeps followed by three long sweeps followed by three short sweeps! The telescopes of course were to enable the receiver perhaps a mile or more away to be able to see and distinguish the signals from afar!
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] The graveyard is not in the Artillery Barracks but in the grounds of the convent next door. The OSI map is misleading, the barracks is at the corner of Blakes Lane and Cannon street. The graveyard shown is at the bottom of a steep hill and the trees there would not have been visible from the barracks.
View from the top of Blakes Lane, wall on left is a remnant of the Artillery barracks
That's the British "Stiff upper lip" in action.
John Burgoyne served with their Regiment in the American Revolutionary War, 200 some years before these fellows.
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] British Army facial hair From comments made when I strayed elsewhere
The London Times, Saturday, Oct 07, 1916
THE ARMY MOUSTACHE
OPTIONAL UNDER A NEW ORDER
An Army Order issued last night directs that in paragraph 1,696 of the King's regulations the words "but not the upper lip" shall be deleted. The paragraph originally read:-
"The hair of the head will be kept short. The chin and under lip will be shaved, but not the upper lip. Whiskers, if worn, will be of moderate length."
its compulsory growth by clean-shaven civilians on joining the Army must have often gone against the grain. More than one pattern has evolved of late; and the now permissible clean sweep of the razor over the upper lip every morning will probably occupy less time than some of the niggling operations which the latest developments render necessary.
A very junior subaltern had undergone Court-martial for shaving his upper lip - it would be exaggeration to say his moustache - contrary to then existing King's Regulations
http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Thank you!, though I don't know if that was the specific case I was mentioning earlier...
The officer in this photo is the rank of Captain.
The link to the library seems broken - here is a link that works: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000591852